H.M. Submarine Cap

[Mooyman]

Hi,

One navy cap...

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Best regards,

Ricardo.

[John Wright]

Nice cap but the cap tally looks like an add on as it's joined on the right side instead of a bow over the left eye.

[Jim Maclean]

The only thing wrong is how they're put together.
The cap is private purchase, hence the port and starboard bits. The cap tally was worn by 'bomber' crews. With only 4 bombers the whereabouts were not publicised.

[Mooyman]

Hi Folks,

I bought this Navy Cap of a american Museum that closed in California.

In the sale description that this patch was a restoration...

WWII HM SUBMARINE BRITISH SAILOR HAT CAP ROYAL NAVY UK

• Description: White and black hat is approximately 7" in diameter and 3" high, 11.75" in circumference and cloth ribbon chin strap is 16.5" long.
• This item was used for: Hat used by a sailor in the British Royal Navy in World War 2.
• Item's markings/insignias: "H.M. SUBMARI NE" embroidered on band in front of hat, as shown in photo. Faded image on the inside of hat, which appears to be a submarine or a ship, as shown in photo.
• The condition of the item is as follows: This hat has clearly seen action during the war, but remains in good condition for its vintage. There are some loose threads and it appears that the band around the hat had torn and been sewn back together and there are some minor stains above the band, but there are no tears or holes.
• History of the item: The Royal Navy of the United Kingdom is the "senior service" of the British armed services, being the oldest of its three branches. From approximately 1692 until World War II, the Royal Navy was the largest and most powerful navy in the world. The navy helped establish the United Kingdom as the dominant military power of the 19th century, and was essential for maintaining the British Empire. Although the Royal Navy is now much smaller, it remains the largest Western European navy, and one of the world's most technologically advanced. It formed the basis for most other navies with few exceptions. The end of the Cold War with the collapse of the Soviet Union has precipitated a restructuring of the Royal Navy's role as a major naval player in the Twenty-first century, from that of a deterrence force to a navy capable of extending British foreign policy worldwide. During the two World Wars, the Royal Navy played a vital role in keeping the United Kingdom supplied with food, arms, and raw materials, and in defeating the German campaigns of unrestricted submarine warfare in the first and second battles of the Atlantic. During the First World War It fought in several sea battles, The Battle of Heligoland Bight, Battle of Coronel, Battle of the Falkland Islands, Battle of Dogger Bank and Dardanelles Campaign, but the Battle of Jutland is the most well known. The Royal Navy was also vital in guarding the sea lanes that enabled British forces to fight in remote parts of the world such as North Africa, the Mediterranean, and the Far East. Naval supremacy was vital to the amphibious operations carried out, such as the invasions of Northwest Africa, Sicily, Italy, and Normandy. See British military history of World War II. World War II, also known as the Second World War, was a mid-20th-century conflict that engulfed much of the globe and is generally considered the most costly and intense war in human history.
The conflict began on September 1, 1939 (by most Western accounts) and lasted until 1945, involving many of the world's countries. Virtually all countries that participated in World War I were involved in World War II. Many consider World War II to be the only true world war due to the overwhelming number of nations involved and the extraordinary number of theatres—from Europe and the Soviet Union to North Africa, China, South East Asia and the Pacific. In World War I non-European theatres had seen quick and short colonial battles, but in World War II these theatres demanded far more resources and human sacrifice. Attributed in varying degrees to the Treaty of Versailles, the Great Depression, and the rise in Nationalism, Fascism, National Socialism, Japanese imperialism, and Militarism, the causes of the war are a matter of debate. Similarly, the exact date at which the war commenced differs between historians, with the most common date given as the German invasion of Poland on 1 September 1939, or the British and French declarations of war two days later. Other candidates for the starting date of the war include the entry of Hitler's armies to Prague in March 1939, the Japanese invasion of China on 7 July 1937 (the start of the Second Sino-Japanese War), or earlier yet the 1931 Japanese invasion of Manchuria, or the signing of the secret Hitler-Stalin Pact. The war was fought between the Axis Powers, which was formed by the countries Germany, Japan and Italy, and the Allies. Fighting occurred across the Atlantic Ocean, in Western and Eastern Europe, in the Mediterranean Sea, Africa, the Middle East, in the Pacific and South East Asia, and it continued in China. In Europe, the war ended with the surrender of Germany on 8 May 1945 (V-E and Victory Days), but continued in Asia until Japan surrendered on 15 August 1945 (V-J Day).
About 50 million people died as a result of the war. This figure includes acts of genocide such as the Holocaust and General Ishii Shiro's Unit 731 experiments in Pingfan, incredibly bloody battles in Europe and the Pacific Ocean, and the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in Japan. Few areas of the world were unaffected, the war involved the "home front" and bombing of civilians to a new degree. Atomic weapons, jet aircraft, rockets and radar, "the blitzkrieg", or "lightning war", the massive use of tanks, submarines, torpedo bombers and destroyer/tanker formations, are only a few of many wartime inventions and new tactics that changed the face of the conflict.
• This item was originally displayed in the Museum of World Wars and we are confident that this item is authentic!

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[Mooyman]

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In many years behibd I had one of a Destroyer...




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Best regards,

Ricardo.

[Jim Maclean]

Nothihg WW2 about it unfortunately, the cap is 70s, maybe 60s at a push.

[John Wright]

Jim ,being an old f**t I don't understand your statement about "bomber crews" with the thousands of Submariners that wore that cap tally it just can't be that scarce.

John

[Marc Sherriff]

I was always under the impression WWII hats were all blue!

[Jim Maclean]

John, The cap itself is as I have stated probably from the 70s. The tally was worn by the crews of the SSBNs (Bombers) HMS Resolution, Revenge, Repulse and Renown. They did not wear their ship's name on the tally for the reason I stated earlier. Members of the crews of conventional boats(SS) and SSNs wore the ship's name. For those that need an explanation of the terms:- SSBN = Ship Submersible Ballistic Nuclear, Nuclear refers to it's method of propulsion. SSN = Ship Submersible Nuclear SS = Ship Submersible

[Jim Maclean]

I was always under the impression WWII hats were all blue!

That was my ace in the hole!

[John Wright]

Jim,Thankyou for the explanation of "Bombers"as I said I am an old f**t thinking in WW2 terms when all submariner's wore that cap tally, yes WW2 caps were blue except in the tropics or the summer month in home waters then it was white top time.

John

[Jim Maclean]

Jim,Thankyou for the explanation of "Bombers"as I said I am an old f**t thinking in WW2 terms when all submariner's wore that cap tally, yes WW2 caps were blue except in the tropics or the summer month in home waters then it was white top time.

John

I believe on the other side of the pond they're known as 'Boomers'. Whatever the name, they deliver a lethal dose. The blue top cap for all in the RN is long gone unfortunately, my own opinion is that it looked smarter than the plastic junk that has been regulation wear for the last 50 years. Not the worst change the RN has had to endure though.