Amelia Earhart mystery solved?

[FrenchVolunteer]

Hi,

before anything, the Islands under Japanese control were called "The Mandates", which included Islands from various area, including some of the Marschall. US had some of the Marschall under their own control.

Please find below, courtesy taken from "Combined Fleet Decoded", infos related to the disappearance of Amelia.

You will notice that the "Koshu story" is not new (Loomis & Ethell, their book was published in 1985)... And that the Japanese HQ wanted to start a search of Amelia, but that the lack of proofs and infos cancelled their project.

The whole chapter about the Mandates is very interesting to say the least.

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Vince

[BrianK]

This "mystery" has been rehashed for decades. IMO brought up now by the media because of "Women's Lib" interest. Nothing exciting here.

[bodes]

Hi,

before anything, the Islands under Japanese control were called "The Mandates", which included Islands from various area, including some of the Marschall. US had some of the Marschall under their own control.

Please find below, courtesy taken from "Combined Fleet Decoded", infos related to the disappearance of Amelia.

You will notice that the "Koshu story" is not new (Loomis & Ethell, their book was published in 1985)... And that the Japanese HQ wanted to start a search of Amelia, but that the lack of proofs and infos cancelled their project.

The whole chapter about the Mandates is very interesting to say the least.

See You

Vince

You refer to the notion that the Koshu story has been around a while...Seems the photograph has been known for about two years....Michigan state repesentative and Earhart researcher, Larry Inman has known about the photo for about that length of time...His opinion is, the photograph is inconclusive as to whether/not that is Earhart and Noonan.....Bodes

[Mil-Archive]

Is there any reason why it would not be more likely that there was a mis-navigation of some sort and she crashed into the ocean and sank without a trace ?

Leaving aside the celebrity, of all the pilots who ran out of fuel, hit bad weather, suffered a mechanical malfunction etc. I am just not seeing why this case has to be different from all those other cases in terms of the final resting place ?

[blinky]

Sounds like a bunch of cranky old farts.

[bodes]

Is there any reason why it would not be more likely that there was a mis-navigation of some sort and she crashed into the ocean and sank without a trace ?

Leaving aside the celebrity, of all the pilots who ran out of fuel, hit bad weather, suffered a mechanical malfunction etc. I am just not seeing why this case has to be different from all those other cases in terms of the final resting place ?

Of course it's possible......However eighty years has transpired.....I don't believe the sunken remains of the Titantic took even that long to locate......With the technology we have today and knowing the whereabouts of where their last contact occurred, one would think her plane would be found....Bodes

[bodes]

Sounds like a bunch of cranky old farts.

Who are you calling cranky?...........Bodes

[blinky]

Not you Bodes

I agree with you, it's an interesting story.

[FrenchVolunteer]

Hi,

You refer to the notion that the Koshu story has been around a while...

Page 93 of "Combined Fleet Decoded" summarizes the "Koshu theory" published in the book of Loomis and Ethell in 1985 : "Amelia Earhart : The Final Story".
The picture illustrates this theory.

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Vince

[Richard T]

Of course it's possible......However eighty years has transpired.....I don't believe the sunken remains of the Titantic took even that long to locate......With the technology we have today and knowing the whereabouts of where their last contact occurred, one would think her plane would be found....Bodes

Seems unlikely being with all today's technology, transponders, aircraft tracking, etc you can lose a much larger aircraft like Malaysia Airlines Flight 370

[FrenchVolunteer]

Hi,

currently three theories exist :

- many specialists studied the planned flight, and suspected a poor planning & execution, which may explain that the plane ran out of fuel out of sight of Howland Island. The possible remains are on the seafloor, at 5km below the water. This is the more plausible explaination.

- since 1985, the "Koshu theory" (Japanese cover-up : Amelia and Noonan crashed on a reef off Mille Atoll, the "Koshu" recovered the plane, Amelia and Noonan, and carried them to Jaluit Island for medical treatment, then took them to Truk. Amelia and Noonan were then flown to Saipan. There, Amelia and Noonan lost their life. The recent "update" is a supposed picture of Amelia and Noonan at Jaluit).
This theory is in contradiction with a) official Japanese reactions at the time and b) no factual interest by the Japanese to “hide anything”, as there was… nothing to hide, as confirmed by other US intelligences and witnesses that were able to freely visit the Mandates.

- since 1988, the Gardner (now called Nikumaroro) Island is the main theory of the TIGHAR exploration group.
This theory is based on :
@ a skeleton and a sextant said to be have found in April 1940 (which is not available anymore). The skeleton was said to be of a man in 1941, a woman of northern European ancestry in 1998 (based of the existing data, by the TIGHAR). In 2015, a critical review confirmed that the skeleton came from a man.
@ in 2007, TIGHAR found "bronze bearings" that may came from the plane, and "a zipper pull that may came from Amelia's flight suit". They also found "bones that may came from a human finger". Another study was made on the bones and was inconclusive (human or... sea turtle).
@ in 2012, a picture taken in 1937 of the Nikumaroro reef was said to have "something that looks like a landing gear".
@ in 2012, TIGHAR said that some sonar images "looked like a possible wreckage site". TIGHAR also found an aluminium panel, a small piece of Plexiglas, and a Cat’s Paw Heels that “may be from Amelia’s footwear”. In 2015 another sonar exploration said that the sonar images were more probably a coral ridge.
The “proofs” of TIGHAR are indeed not very substantial to say the least.
Interestingly enough, TIGHAR are the first to deny the “Koshu theory”. Business is business after all.

This is interesting to see that the complete picture is showing a very quiet and complete overview of the Jaluit pier. Only civilians and fishermen.

https://peopledotcom.files.wordpress...?w=2000&h=1209

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Vince

[bodes]

Seems unlikely being with all today's technology, transponders, aircraft tracking, etc you can lose a much larger aircraft like Malaysia Airlines Flight 370

And what would be gained continuing to look for bodies that longer exist?....Who's realistically is going to tie up money/resources when it's incapable of netting positive results?....The Titantic was a bigger object, but also had items deemed monetarily valuable aboard......Bodes

[FrenchVolunteer]

Hi,

Seems unlikely being with all today's technology, transponders, aircraft tracking, etc you can lose a much larger aircraft like Malaysia Airlines Flight 370

Actually, people that study history of US intelligence and radar system (aka all the professionals in the business) already strongly suspect that at least the NSA/US Army was probably able to track down in time the real path of the flight.
The location of the disappearance, near China, is ultra monitored by the US military forces since the end of WWII... Enough US recon planes were shot down by Chinese air force in the Cold War...

If "civilians" were able to track down the plane with the help of the Inmarsat "ping" system, the US radars in the area did so more easily.
The problem is that saying that equals to give up the fact that you are far over any other country in term of surveillance.

And the area where the plane went missing is incredibly vast. I doubt that the US had any drones of fighter planes able to intercept in time the airliner.
The US advance in radar system (especially against China and Russia) can't be shared, even for a few hundred of lives and millions of dollars in SAR.

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Vince

[Mil-Archive]

Of course it's possible......However eighty years has transpired.....I don't believe the sunken remains of the Titantic took even that long to locate......With the technology we have today and knowing the whereabouts of where their last contact occurred, one would think her plane would be found....Bodes

I think it's more than possible, it's the most likely explanation by a wide margin (vs conspiracy theories).

Also, you are not comparing like for like, the titanic had 3,500 passengers, was the largest liner of it's time on it's heavily publicised maiden voyage. The titanic had radioed it's approximate sinking position. Despite knowing pretty much exactly where it went down it took a very long time of dedicated looking to find it. Consider also the epic size of what they were looking for.

All that Vs a small aeroplane. The earhart plane has far less interest outside of America and would be next to impossible to find in several km of ocean water, that's even on the assumption it sank in one piece & stayed intact on the ocean floor, as opposed to smashing into pieces on impact and sinking over a wide area.

For reference here is an incomplete list of missing aircraft where:

"This is a list of aircraft, aviators or air passengers who have disappeared in flight for reasons that have never been definitely determined, particularly in cases where the air frame of the aircraft or body of the person has never been recovered."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_missing_aircraft

[bodes]

Well, that two hours was pretty uninspiring.....I hadn't seen any prior "teasers", so I was unaware they were going to be recruiting another retired intelligence person to do the investigation...And as per typical, they start with a theory and look for evidence to bolster their case...Junior G-men stuff and not the way to run any investigation.....

Have to say I knew I was in trouble when they started with the government documents....The one that kinda closed the door, when it stated (and I may be paraphrasing) the plane was not thought to be above water....Than went on to infer the government knew more and covered it up......

As stated by the one gent, the pieces of metal they analyzed could have come from any of a number of aircraft....Many went down during WW2, though supposedly according to records, none in the area of the island they were recovered....And the wheeled dollies....When were they flown in?....Convenient they found three sets, though we only saw one....And I'm curious how without newspapers, the island natives knew about Amelia Earhart?.....I pretty much tuned out after that....

French volunteer, with the theories you listed it would be impossible to get everybody to agree on just one....That's just the way it is

Next time I'll have to temper my thinking when the Today show endorses a show in the history channel......Cheers, Bodes