Gallipoli, Australian 7 part drama series.

[muzrub]

Based on Les Carlyon book about the landings, which gives hope to a Western front continuation.

I was pleasantly surprised, it has plenty of action so far (80%) contrary to the clip, it may be a worthwhile watch. Only part 1 has been aired so far.

Cheers.

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&s...lwt3DZWMmIy0Lw

[kiwitedferny]

Hopefully the producers will remember to mention the NZ component of the word ANZAC....

LOVE the Ozzies like a brother, (I'm an ex NZ Infantryman who trained with the Aussies a LOT), but you buggers have nicked the word 'ANZAC' and used it in an exclusively Australian sense. The Kiwis have never done This.

[muzrub]

Hopefully the producers will remember to mention the NZ component of the word ANZAC....

LOVE the Ozzies like a brother, (I'm an ex NZ Infantryman who trained with the Aussies a LOT), but you buggers have nicked the word 'ANZAC' and used it in an exclusively Australian sense. The Kiwis have never done This.

They're mentioned throughout, however, it's a predominantly Australian drama.
I don't agree with your assertion that Australia has "stolen" the Anzac story, nobody I've ever talked to, nor anything I learned in school diminished the Kiwi element. That being said, our nation was only 15 years young when the troops landed in Turkey, and the First World War was, is and always has been linked to Australia's nationhood, whether that be right or wrong.

Just enjoy the show.

Cheers,

Jamie

[chrischa]

Do any of your remember the series 'Anzacs' from the eighties? That was a great mini series from my childhood memory.
The series mentioned looks good as long as it doesn't follow some of the Galipoli film cliches and inacruracies - although an enjoyable film.

(There is an unbalance of Anzacs relating to Australia. But, I always think All Blacks and kicking our backsides at rugby with NZ!).

[Bob Lyons]

I watched it for a little bit, but the 'touchy - feely ' 21st century soldier who breaks down and cries when he sees the first guy killed in front of him was enough for me, the real soldiers were a bit more hardened than that, surely he would have been through some form of "boot camp" that would have prepared him for what was to come. The scene where he gets slapped by his mother for joining up in the flashback scene too, she should have whacked him a bit harder. Poop series. (and the good SGT wearing his chinstrap backwards, not good attention to detail). The old Anzac series with Paul Hogan was heaps better.

Just my jaded opinion of course

Bob

[Don D.]

Who is the girl with the big knockers?

[Paul.B.]

Hopefully the producers will remember to mention the NZ component of the word ANZAC....

LOVE the Ozzies like a brother, (I'm an ex NZ Infantryman who trained with the Aussies a LOT), but you buggers have nicked the word 'ANZAC' and used it in an exclusively Australian sense. The Kiwis have never done This.

That is an absolute load of rubbish Ed retract it immediately.
Every service I have ever attended always with out fail mentions our NZ brothers and their sacrifice I really am surprised to hear you say that.
Tacky mate tacky.

[kiwitedferny]

That is an absolute load of rubbish Ed retract it immediately.
Every service I have ever attended always with out fail mentions our NZ brothers and their sacrifice I really am surprised to hear you say that.
Tacky mate tacky.

No, I won't retract it. I'm sure what you say is true with respect to Gallipoli. but equally, it is a fact that I have heard the word ANZAC used many, many times iin contexts where there was no involvement of NZ Troops.

I sincerely believe that the New Zealanders are more cautious about using the word. ANZAC is not a word used if the troops referred to are Kiwi only.

[muzrub]

No, I won't retract it. I'm sure what you say is true with respect to Gallipoli. but equally, it is a fact that I have heard the word ANZAC used many, many times iin contexts where there was no involvement of NZ Troops.

I sincerely believe that the New Zealanders are more cautious about using the word. ANZAC is not a word used if the troops referred to are Kiwi only.

Honestly, this is ridiculous; I can't understand how you could be offended by Australia's embrace of the Anzac legend, and all it involves. I find it bizarre you find it offensive that Australia focuses predominately on Australia when it concerns the Anzac story, I'm sure NZ does much the same.
New Zealand isn't forgotten, nor are the thousands of British born people who became ANZAC's. People from all corners of the globe joined the AIF (if only for a ticket home) and become apart of the ANZAC legend, this is one of the reasons why many in Australia believe we were forged as a nation on the shores of Gallipoli. This is why the ANZAC story is close to heart of Australia.


Australia often uses the term, "in the Anzac spirit", when extolling the courage of our soldiers, although those actions may have no relevance to New Zealand. But that shouldn't be thought of as "stealing" a legacy, it's the opposite, it helps keep the memory of those who served alive--- this is why the ANZAC day march has grown stronger in time. At least here in Australia, I have no idea about NZ.


Cheers,

Jamie.

[kiwitedferny]

Honestly, this is ridiculous; I can't understand how you could be offended by Australia's embrace of the Anzac legend, and all it involves. I find it bizarre you find it offensive that Australia focuses predominately on Australia when it concerns the Anzac story, I'm sure NZ does much the same.
New Zealand isn't forgotten, nor are the thousands of British born people who became ANZAC's. People from all corners of the globe joined the AIF (if only for a ticket home) and become apart of the ANZAC legend, this is one of the reasons why many in Australia believe we were forged as a nation on the shores of Gallipoli. This is why the ANZAC story is close to heart of Australia.


Australia often uses the term, "in the Anzac spirit", when extolling the courage of our soldiers, although those actions may have no relevance to New Zealand. But that shouldn't be thought of as "stealing" a legacy, it's the opposite, it helps keep the memory of those who served alive--- this is why the ANZAC day march has grown stronger in time. At least here in Australia, I have no idea about NZ.


Cheers,

Jamie.

Now listen - I do NOt want to offend anyone, or start a sh*t fight.

What I am saying is, with reference to, for example the TV series 'ANZACs' that people mentioned earlier in the thread - is there even a single reference to NZ in that series?

And if you watch documentaries made by Australian Television, about Kakoda, for example, the commentator will invariably refer to the Australian troops (Mililtia or AIF) as 'ANZACs' even though no NZ troops were involved in the campaign.

Take a look and have a listen - you'll find its true. You wouldn't hear NZ commentators refer to the Kiwi troops who fought at, say, Monte Cassino, as ANZAC's for the simple reason that no Australian soldiers were collocated there.

There IS a more careful usage of the word by the New Sealanders, as a general rule. It's not used in circumstances where Australian troops were not present.

It's a phenomenon I have discussed with Australians and after it was politely pointed out to them, they tend to agree that the Aussies have 'captured' the word and applied it to circumstances specifically Australian.

Just an observation.

[Josh Cowell]

I watched it for a little bit, but the 'touchy - feely ' 21st century soldier who breaks down and cries when he sees the first guy killed in front of him was enough for me, the real soldiers were a bit more hardened than that, surely he would have been through some form of "boot camp" that would have prepared him for what was to come. The scene where he gets slapped by his mother for joining up in the flashback scene too, she should have whacked him a bit harder. Poop series. (and the good SGT wearing his chinstrap backwards, not good attention to detail). The old Anzac series with Paul Hogan was heaps better.

Just my jaded opinion of course

Bob

You review of the series has convinced me this is not worth watching. I really wanted to watch it cos it brought back memories of the Paul Hogan series from the 80's which was ballsy and a man's film. This one sounds spineless. No wonder terrorists think they can attack us with impunity. We must appear like a bunch of nancies.

[muzrub]

You review of the series has convinced me this is not worth watching. I really wanted to watch it cos it brought back memories of the Paul Hogan series from the 80's which was ballsy and a man's film. This one sounds spineless. No wonder terrorists think they can attack us with impunity. We must appear like a bunch of nancies.

Finding something not worth watching after reading a review by someone who didn't watch it all makes little sense to me. And then linking it all to terrorism...

The battle scenes are gritty and bloody, prisoners are killed by both sides. It's also based on the personal experiences of the people who took part in the campaign, their letters, diaries etc all of which is detailed in Les Carlyon's book.

I recently watched the 1980's "camp" version of WW1, Anzacs. This new version is far superior.

All that being said, if you don't like don't watch it.


Cheers.

[muzrub]

Now listen - I do NOt want to offend anyone, or start a sh*t fight.

I don't agree with your assertion, but that doesn't really matter. I have no interest in being in a sh#t fight either. Have fun, you won't win the Cricket World Cup (which is reserved for the "real" Anzacs) btw. Lol.
And as for the Rugby, 70% of Australia follows the AFL, but if we ever decided to to try and put a decent Rugby team together, the All Blacks would never win another game.

Cheers mate,

Jamie.

[kiwitedferny]

I don't agree with your assertion, but that doesn't really matter. I have no interest in being in a sh#t fight either. Have fun, you won't win the Cricket World Cup (which is reserved for the "real" Anzacs) btw. Lol.
And as for the Rugby, 70% of Australia follows the AFL, but if we ever decided to to try and put a decent Rugby team together, the All Blacks would never win another game.

Cheers mate,

Jamie.

You outnumber us 5 to 1. But we still fairly regularly prevail in the League. Must be due to our big Maori and Polynesian boys...

And you could half our population and the All Blacks would still be invincible, such is the power of our 'National Religion'.

Back to the intent of the thread - Peter Jackson is rumoured to be planning a Gallipoli film. That'd be a good one, I'm guessing. He's a WW1 buff.

[muzrub]

You outnumber us 5 to 1. But we still fairly regularly prevail in the League. Must be due to our big Maori and Polynesian boys...

And you could half our population and the All Blacks would still be invincible, such is the power of our 'National Religion'.

Back to the intent of the thread - Peter Jackson is rumoured to be planning a Gallipoli film. That'd be a good one, I'm guessing. He's a WW1 buff.

Most of NZ now live here, you can't throw a rock in this country without hitting a Kiwi. You can keep your league and Rugby too, Australia doesn't need to dominate in everything.


Another Gallipoli film, I'd prefer something based on the Western Front in 1918, when the Anzacs led the offensive. Or at least the battle of Hamel, where Monash led the Australian Corps with success and minimal casualties.

Cheers.