Trying to identify soldier from pay book

[Thomas Durante]

Hi everyone, I think this is the place to post this question.

This morning I purchased a nice grouping of a soldier in the Infantry, Regiment 447, 3. Company. This is my first grouping and the reason for the purchase was mainly for the beautiful bronze Close Combat Clasp that was with it. As I am mainly into the CCC, I do not know much about the other awards and especially the pay book info. Is there any way to possible to determine this soldier's name, from the information above and all the different awards and dates shown on the page of the pay book that came with it? I guess I am looking for something similar to Dorr's Nahkampfspange book, where he lists all the recipients of the CCC, and all the other awards each man received and their dates?

Any help would be much appreciated!

Thank you

Tom Durante

[Adrian Stevenson]

Hi Tom, I am not sure I follow your question ? Do you have the entire Soldbuch? If so the mans name, awards and award dates will be listed in it.
Cheers, Ade.

[Thomas Durante]

Hi Ade, thanks for the reply so quick!

Sorry about that. No, I just have 1 page of the buch, marked "Auszeichnungen". It is mared front and back with the awards, dates of the awards and a stamp on each entry. Does that make more sense?


Thank you

Tom Durante

Hi Tom, I am not sure I follow your question ? Do you have the entire Soldbuch? If so the mans name, awards and award dates will be listed in it.
Cheers, Ade.

[Angel Farré]

Hi Ade, thanks for the reply so quick!

Sorry about that. No, I just have 1 page of the buch, marked "Auszeichnungen". It is mared front and back with the awards, dates of the awards and a stamp on each entry. Does that make more sense?


Thank you

Tom Durante

If you have only the page with awards it's almost imposible to know who this man was instead he was also a holder of the RK, DKiG or the Ehrenblattspange des Heeres.

Can you post here the group, perhaps other papers could help.

Angel

[Thomas Durante]

If you have only the page with awards it's almost imposible to know who this man was instead he was also a holder of the RK, DKiG or the Ehrenblattspange des Heeres.

Can you post here the group, perhaps other papers could help.

Angel

Hello Angel,

I cannot post a picture as my camera is not very good. He is no holder of the RK, DK or Ehrenblattspange. His awards were:

IAB - 1 April 1942
Wound Badge in Black - 31 May 1942
EK2 - 12 July 1942
Winterslacht im Osten Medal - 9 August 1942
Nahkampfspange - 12 March 1944

I know this is a long shot with such common awards. Have you ever heard of his unit - Regiment 447, 3 Company? Any websites that may have units, soldiers and their awards broken out like this?

Thank you

Tom

[Ian Jewison]

Tom,

Take a look at the following:

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/...nter/IR447.htm

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/...onen/137ID.htm

/Ian

[Thomas Durante]

Tom,

Take a look at the following:

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/...nter/IR447.htm

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/...onen/137ID.htm

/Ian

Hello Ian, thank you very much for the website and links! These are very helpful. My translation of the first link says "3 different battalions were dissolved in Summer of '42 and joined up in Oktober 1942 to create Infantry Regiment 447". The soldbuch that I have shows the IAB, Wound, EK2, & Ost Medal being awarded BEFORE this Oktober '42 date. Over each entry is the typical round stamp with "int-regiment 447 3. Company". Is this possible since this unit wasn't even in existance before Oktober '42?
Is my translation wrong??

Thanks

Tom Durante

[Ian Jewison]

Hi Tom,

The first link says IR 447 was formed 1.10.1940 (10.1.1940 U.S. format!) as a Rgt. of the 11th wave at the troop training area Döllersheim...and what units it was formed from etc.
Summer 1942 the III. Btl. (or 3rd Battalion) was disbanded and 15.10.1942 (10.15.1942!) it was renamed Gren.Rgt. 447.

/Ian

[Thomas Durante]

Hi Tom,

The first link says IR 447 was formed 1.10.1940 (10.1.1940 U.S. format!) as a Rgt. of the 11th wave at the troop training area Döllersheim...and what units it was formed from etc.
Summer 1942 the III. Btl. (or 3rd Battalion) was disbanded and 15.10.1942 (10.15.1942!) it was renamed Gren.Rgt. 447.

/Ian

Ah, ok, thanks for clarifying! My translation was off (or my interpretation of it, anyway). That makes more sense. Ian, thank you very much for your help!

Thanks to everyone, Ian, Adrian & Angel!

Tom Durante