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**Steve Campbell** · 02-26-2008, 04:22 PM

Try Anthony Beevor's The Fall of Belin 1945.

**Anthony N** · 02-26-2008, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by Steve Campell View Post

Try Anthony Beevor's The Fall of Belin 1945.

Thanks Steve, i've got his Stalingrad book but haven't read that yet.
Ant.

**Barry G** · 02-26-2008, 07:02 PM

" With our Backs to Berlin" by Tony Le Tissier is quite interesting although not totally in Berlin.

**stahlhelm47** · 02-26-2008, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by Steve Campell View Post

Try Anthony Beevor's The Fall of Belin 1945.

Great Book!

I will get to his Stalingrad book eventually. So many books, so little time.....

**WalterB** · 02-26-2008, 11:21 PM

Let's not forget "The Last Battle" by Cornelius Ryan.

**Anthony N** · 02-27-2008, 02:55 AM

Thanks everyone, will check those out. Doesn't have to be exclusively about the battle for Berlin, any good books following the Germans into Berlin would also be interesting. Keep them coming

Thanks, Ant.

**Jonathan M** · 02-27-2008, 05:55 AM

Armageddon by Max Hastings, and the Beevor book on Berlin, ant, is written very much in the same style of his Stalingrad book.

Jonathan

**Anthony N** · 02-27-2008, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by Polynike View Post

Armageddon by Max Hastings, and the Beevor book on Berlin, ant, is written very much in the same style of his Stalingrad book.

Jonathan

Thanks Jonathan

Am particulary taken with memoirs at the moment like Berlin Dance of death, just love that personal touch that an author can't recreate.
While i'm at it, i must ask you about Alan Clarke's Barbarossa, i know you have it, it's something i've been meaning to buy for years but everytime i see the size of it i chicken out.
Ant.

**pasoleati** · 02-27-2008, 10:22 PM

If you are interested in objective military history, forget Beevor. He is a political propagandist. At least he admits that in his Berlin book foreword.

**Jonathan M** · 02-28-2008, 02:34 AM

Originally posted by antwhiplash View Post

Thanks Jonathan

Am particulary taken with memoirs at the moment like Berlin Dance of death, just love that personal touch that an author can't recreate.
While i'm at it, i must ask you about Alan Clarke's Barbarossa, i know you have it, it's something i've been meaning to buy for years but everytime i see the size of it i chicken out.
Ant.

Ant

Despite its size, and its not that chunky

, it makes for easy reading. I havent read it for a while as Ive just received some books from amazon that im reading through. Its not as detailed as Glantz's books on the subject but certainly a good read and a good introductory text. Can also reccomend his book on the Fall of Crete as well.
Jonathan

**Larry deZeng** · 02-28-2008, 09:05 AM

Originally posted by pasoleati View Post

If you are interested in objective military history, forget Beevor. He is a political propagandist. At least he admits that in his Berlin book foreword.

Please substantiate your claim. I just finished Beevor's The Fall of Berlin 1945 a week ago and I just picked it up again and re-read the 4½-page foreword. He says nothing there that in any way supports your claim. For which side do you believe him to be a propagandist?

In my opinion, his study from late fall 1944 to the end of the war is entirely fair and balanced. I'm 70, have a history degree, and I have read a lot of books on this subject in both English and German. His account for the first time covers the activities of NKVD units in the German provinces taken by the Red Army using details from reports in the Russian archives. Beevor's account is an objective study of the horror of these final months of the war from East Prussia to Berlin, and his story-telling skills are every bit as good as Cornelius Ryan's if not better. It's a first class book with a lot of fresh details and was highly acclaimed on both sides of the Atlantic.

--Larry

**Brian Dentino** · 02-28-2008, 09:24 AM

I have to agree with Larry on this one. I found Beevor's book very enlightening and well written with a lot of documentary evidence. I actually thought that both his Stalingrad and Berlin books were very good from a straight informative, historical perspective. I guess each has his own opinion and is entitled to it though.

**stahlhelm47** · 02-28-2008, 09:26 AM

Originally posted by Larry deZeng View Post

Please substantiate your claim. I just finished Beevor's The Fall of Berlin 1945 a week ago and I just picked it up again and re-read the 4½-page foreword. He says nothing there that in any way supports your claim. For which side do you believe him to be a propagandist?

In my opinion, his study from late fall 1944 to the end of the war is entirely fair and balanced. I'm 70, have a history degree, and I have read a lot of books on this subject in both English and German. His account for the first time covers the activities of NKVD units in the German provinces taken by the Red Army using details from reports in the Russian archives. Beevor's account is an objective study of the horror of these final months of the war from East Prussia to Berlin, and his story-telling skills are every bit as good as Cornelius Ryan's if not better. It's a first class book with a lot of fresh details and was highly acclaimed on both sides of the Atlantic.

--Larry

I completely agree with Larry!!

**pasoleati** · 02-28-2008, 10:17 AM

Larry, at least in the Finnish edition he says that he decided to write the Berlin book because he felt that "too many young Germans" have something positive to say about the 3rd Reich. If that is not a political agenda, which is???

Furthermore, his writing style is not what one expects from a PROFESSIONAL MILITARY OFFICER (=objective, dispassionate analysis from military PoV). He sounds like a SIPRI scriber.

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