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    Saving Private Ryan

    I've been watching Saving Private Ryan so much lately, it seems like it's on an endless loop. But for as good a movie as it is, there are of course many things that don't seem realistic, to say the least. I'll list a couple that bug me and maybe others can add some of their own.

    First, when Jackson fires a shot where he thinks the German sniper is, how in the hell do they have any idea the shot killed him? They're not even sure that's where the sniper is located!! Then Mellish says something like "hold on, we got him" and they all come out into the open like it's perfectly safe and that there's no way Jackson's shot could have possibly missed! Not reality in my opinion to say the very least.

    Second, when Capt. Miller decides to attack the MG42 machine gun position near the radar site, I would think the DUMBEST thing you could possibly do is to run across the field directly towards the machine gun nest- talk about a suicide attack!! Again, far from reality and just plain silly. I know the Japanese had their Bonsai attacks, but as far as I know, the Americans were a little more level-headed.

    Another scene that bugs me is near the beginning of the movie when some of the American soldiers are under water off the beach during the invasion and you see bullets going through the water and THROUGH the soldier!! What were the Germans shooting, spearguns!! High-velocity bullets, even large caliber, don't travel through water. They are rendered useless almost the instant they impact water. They may be lethal a few inches under, but no more then probably 4 or 5, if that (yes, I watched Mythbusters). Bullets ricocheting off the water may be a different story, but that's not what was shown in the movie. That really bugs me. Even before watching Mythbusters, common sense told me a bullet would not act this way. But that's Hollywood for ya, I guess.
    Last edited by Dan P; 02-23-2007, 12:17 AM.

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    Saving private ryan

    On that sniper one,i remembr i think he said thats where i would be and then he aimed there,but seeing him?,he shot the guy in the eye or was that luck,aiming at the window,as he was lower,so how could he even see him?,strange realy.
    And yes that attack dose seem silly,a frontal assault with that few men,there was a back to it i thought,flank it or so.On the water one i did not know that,so they made a mistake with that one,what where they using then to do those scenes,bullets at close range?.

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      #3
      I had problems with the scene right before Jackson is killed in the belltower, he fires his 1903 springfield at least 10 times without reloading.

      also , in the tank scene................. Miller runs to the gunport and empties a clip into it. in reality there was proteive thick glass in that visor. and they effortlessly raised the hatch of the tank to drop grenades in,but in reality those hatches weigh around 90 pounds!

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        #4
        Originally posted by Dan P View Post
        ..... Another scene that bugs me is near the beginning of the movie when some of the American soldiers are under water off the beach during the invasion and you see bullets going through the water and THROUGH the soldier!! What were the Germans shooting, spearguns!! High-velocity bullets, even large caliber, don't travel through water. They are rendered useless almost the instant they impact water. They may be lethal a few inches under, but no more then probably 4 or 5, if that (yes, I watched Mythbusters). Bullets ricocheting off the water may be a different story, but that's not what was shown in the movie. That really bugs me. Even before watching Mythbusters, common sense told me a bullet would not act this way. But that's Hollywood for ya, I guess.
        Me too! Always thought that was a dumb one....
        Not to mention the fact that the SS would go into a town without blowing the crap out of the church tower first. But hey, its Hollywood...

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          #5
          Its a good movie but it is Hollywood saving the world again. There isnt an english solider in it. When I watch it I kept expecting john wayne to appear lol. I didnt know that about the bullets and water thats very interesting

          Regards Adam

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            #6
            I didnt see myth busters
            I am almost sure that a rifle bullet can travel at least 5 meters under water and still be able to kill someone. Just a BB gun bullet goes something like half a meter.
            It has happened that a single rifle bullets wounds several men by going throught them in succession. A rifle bullet will also go through a metal helmet, through your head, and out the other side, and still be powerfull enaugh to kill an other guy.

            JL

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              #7
              I did a bit of research, and my conclusion id that the distance the bullet travels under water is mostly influenced by the type of bullet.
              I found the mythbusters data.
              A 9mm bullet can cause a wound at up to 7 feet.
              But them a 50 cal bullet is useless after only 5 feet, although it has dozens of times more energy in it.

              It seems that the main thing is that the rifle type bullets break up, which is why they are useless after only a few feet. (apparently pistole bullets are more solid? but I dont have any experience with them.) This is because bullets turn around when they go through substances with a large viscocity (the heavier end of the bullet: the back, wants to travel first, as it is less influenced by friction). For example most assault rifle bullets turn around in human flesh after a distance of 17cm, and this turning around usualy causes the bullet to break up into pieces.

              But the mythbusters apparently didnt try firing armor piercing bullets, that probably would not break up when they turn around, and would thus go much further under water.
              Lets just say thos bullets in SPR are armor piercing

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                #8
                probs

                I don't have a problem with Jackson vs. Sniper. Between the time when he said "that's where I'd be", and actually firing, it's not inconceivable that he was able to see the sniper once he was actually looking through his scope. So, no problem for me there.

                I would comment on him being in the bell tower though. Not because of the number of shots he fired (I have not counted), but I thought that the 1903A4 rifle had to be reloaded one bullet at a time because the scope and mount got in the way. So, it should take him a while to reload, but that might not be worth screen time. Perhaps someone will correct me if wrong.

                Bullets hitting water. I don't have much experience with bullets going through water, but I think saying that they are completely harmless upon hitting water sounds like famous last words.

                Frontal assault on MG42 position? Yeah, I say go around, take it from the rear. UNLESS there was some reason why they had a fixed position pointing one way, why not go around. Perhaps the terrain necessitated a frontal assault without going WAY around.

                On the whole, I'd say it was a pretty good flick though.

                If I would change one thing though, I wouldn't have ended it so abruptly. Instead of the P51s suddenly showing up and saving the day, it would have been much cooler (and less cheesy) to have Allied forces approach and join in the fight, duel with the Tigers for a mement, and then have P47s show up. That way its not like the battle was already over when the help shows up.

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                  #9
                  I just saw myth busters on youtube, and see they were firing at an angle into the water. This probably made the bullet distabalise, and turn around sooner, thus making it disintegrate sooner.
                  You can imagine that in SPR, the bullets could have gone in when there was a wave, thus hitting the water "verticaly" when compared to the angle of the wave, and they could maybe have gone further.

                  JL

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                    #10
                    observations

                    A few things I noticed in Saving Private Ryan...

                    Jackson(the sniper)was left-handed-which made rechambering his rounds a real problem(having to go over the breach reloading between shots)

                    Dale Dye(ex Marine officer/Vietnam) probably had Jackson shoot the German sniper through the scope;same thing apparently done by U.S.M.C. scout/sniper Carlos Hathcock,in Vietnam.I suspect Cpt.Dye is familiar with this ..

                    Bullets(high velocity)are quite capable of killing in water.
                    Scuba combat divers actually are trained in this firing technique underwater.

                    The 101st.paratroopers portrayed initially were,uniformly,overweight and too old to be believable.They were actually very "lean & mean",not middle-age types.

                    The "Ryan"character was loosely based on the real soldier Fritz Nieland;a "German-American"soldier. Mr.Spielberg ignored this fact.

                    For all the shortcomings of S.P.R. it still established a new level of realism.

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                      #11
                      I think if your firing low-velocity bullets like 9mm pistol, penetration into water would be greater, especially if the shot originates from under water. But I'm talking about high-velocity rifle or machine gun fire into water. I don't think angle of entry is that critical either. I think what's portrayed in SPR is wholly inaccurate and just hollywood at it's finest. Mythbusters shows they would almost completely fragment upon impact. I'm talking high-velocity here. What's shown in the movie is pure fantasy in my opinion.

                      A bb will travel reasonably far into water because it's fired at such low velocity. If you slap your hand against calm water as hard as you can, it would almost feel like hitting concrete. If you hit it at a slower speed, it will enter the water quite easily. It's somewhat similar with bullets, it's the high-impact ballistic forces that act against them.
                      Last edited by Dan P; 02-23-2007, 03:38 PM.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Dan P View Post
                        I think if your firing low-velocity bullets like 9mm pistol, penetration into water would be greater, especially if the shot originates from under water. But I'm talking about high-velocity rifle or machine gun fire into water. I don't think angle of entry is that critical either. I think what's portrayed in SPR is wholly inaccurate and just hollywood at it's finest. Mythbusters shows they would almost completely fragment upon impact. I'm talking high-velocity here. What's shown in the movie is pure fantasy in my opinion.

                        A bb will travel reasonably far into water because it's fired at such low velocity. If you slap you hand against water as hard as you can, it would almost feel like hitting concrete. If you hit it at low speed, it will enter the water quite easily, same thing with bullets. It's the high-impact ballistic forces that act against bullets.
                        I think you are probably correct.
                        My only experience is from firing a completely immersed weapon(.45 cal. pistol)underwater.It will knock hell out of you too(shock)
                        But you may well be correct about slugs entering water fired at an angle.

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                          #13
                          I think "Saving Private Ryan" is an overrated piece of crap. I watched it twice in theaters when it first came out and have tried to watch it now that it's shown on TV. I usually get through just a few minutes before turning it off. It's loaded with historical errors and absurd scenarios. The charge at the MG42 is a prime example. Earlier Miller doesn't want to take a few minutes to rescue a French family because it will divert from their mission. Then he risks his whole unit to attack an enemy position head-on! If you notice when they reach the position the MG42 is pointed across the valley not down the hill, so maybe it wasn't that dangerous after all! Then there is the scene with the medic hit in the attack. He's clearly been stitched fatally across the chest and they're putting sulfa powder on the wound! Were they worried he was going to get an infection?!!

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                            #14
                            I think the most absurd notion in the movie is that Capt. Miller is fatally wounded by the very same German soldier that he had let go and that Upham saw him fire the shot!!! Talk about Hollywood fantasy!

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                              #15
                              Spr

                              Hello,
                              My biggest problem is a error they did in shooting the film. There is the scene near the end when the two men are in the room and you hear Germans coming up the steps. The Americans fire and you hear a thud and see blood run from the hallway into the room. The the Germans shoot and the American para is wounded and the hand to hand fight begins with the SS trooper and one of Ryan's men.

                              Then Upham comes up the stairs and chickens out and crys on the staircase. After the SS trooper kills the soldier (from the hand to hand) he walks down the stairs pass Upham. My question is where is the dead German at the top of the stairs?

                              Regards,
                              Jody

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