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    A sobering read.

    How the Horrific 1918 Flu Spread Across America.

    The toll of history’s worst epidemic surpasses all the military deaths in World War I and World War II combined. And it may have begun in the United States.


    "The killing created its own horrors. Governments aggravated them, partly because of the war. For instance, the U.S. military took roughly half of all physicians under 45—and most of the best ones.

    What proved even more deadly was the government policy toward the truth. When the United States entered the war, Woodrow Wilson demanded that “the spirit of ruthless brutality...enter into the very fibre of national life.” So he created the Committee on Public Information, which was inspired by an adviser who wrote, “Truth and falsehood are arbitrary terms....The force of an idea lies in its inspirational value. It matters very little if it is true or false.”

    At Wilson’s urging, Congress passed the Sedition Act, making it punishable with 20 years in prison to “utter, print, write or publish any disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the form of government of the United State...or to urge, incite, or advocate any curtailment of production in this country of any thing or things...necessary or essential to the prosecution of the war.” Government posters and advertisements urged people to report to the Justice Department anyone “who spreads pessimistic stories...cries for peace, or belittles our effort to win the war.”

    Against this background, while influenza bled into American life, public health officials, determined to keep morale up, began to lie."


    "People knew this was not the same old thing, though. They knew because the numbers were staggering—in San Antonio, 53 percent of the population got sick with influenza. They knew because victims could die within hours of the first symptoms—horrific symptoms, not just aches and cyanosis but also a foamy blood coughed up from the lungs, and bleeding from the nose, ears and even eyes. And people knew because towns and cities ran out of coffins."


    A third wave followed in January 1919, ending in the spring. This was lethal by any standard except the second wave, and one particular case would have an exceptional impact on history.

    "On April 3, 1919, during the Versailles Peace Conference, Woodrow Wilson collapsed. His sudden weakness and severe confusion halfway through that conference—widely commented upon—very possibly contributed to his abandoning his principles. The result was the disastrous peace treaty, which would later contribute to the start of World War II. Some historians have attributed Wilson’s confusion to a minor stroke. In fact, he had a 103 degree temperature, intense coughing fits, diarrhea and other serious symptoms. A stroke explains none of the symptoms. Influenza, which was then widespread in Paris and killed a young aide to Wilson, explains all of them—including his confusion. Experts would later agree that many patients afflicted by the pandemic influenza had cognitive or psychological symptoms. As an authoritative 1927 medical review concluded, “There is no doubt that the neuropsychiatric effects of influenza are profound...hardly second to its effect on the respiratory system.”



    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/histo...ear-180965222/


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    #2
    I have studied this for years. As many as 95 million died worldwide. The center of the outbreak was Brest, France, which is where sick US troops disembarked. US troops were infected at Ft Riley, if memory serves me well. Because of severe censorship the flu was called the "Spanish Flu" because Spain did not have censorship.

    Think about it; more people died from this pandemic worldwide than from WWI and WWII combined.

    I also recall reading somewhere that the US Army Chief of Staff warned Woodrow Wilson about the terrible impact sending infected US soldiers to Europe, in the largest movement of humans from one continent to another, would have.
    Willi

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      #3
      Spanish Flu

      Willi in your studies have you come across recent comparisons to this killer ? Many suggest it could return, it certainly gave the Bubonic Plague a run for its money in terms of "deaths" vis a vis population and was pneumonic in nature. For decades
      the Plague was blamed on the flea bite of the rat which did not/could not account for the scale of infection.It had to be pneumonic. Imagine you survived four years in the trenches to die of this !!!

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        #4
        One of the scary aspects of this was the seemingly randomness of it. My grandmother was one of 12 children. Her mother and third youngest sister were hit with it and died within a few days. No one else in the family got sick, even the baby who was probably the most vulnerable never got sick. One of my great aunts spent the rest of her life afraid of germs, if you even had a cold she didn't want you to write to her.......kind of easy to see why. Ironically she like the other 11 lived into her late 90s.

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          #5
          Blinky is weird !!!

          Why did a sealed house in medieval London, the authorities measures then to confine the infected, produce one or two survivors ? It is genetics some of us are resilient even to the most virulent infections, others drop like flies. A village in Northampton, England has provided such evidence in the bones of those who died and those who died in the 14th century.

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            #6
            Hi,

            ...The result was the disastrous peace treaty, which would later contribute to the start of World War II....

            This sentence is unfortunately pure speculation, if not total bull****.
            No matter if the influenza diminished the capacity of Wilson, other Allied nations (especially France and Clémenceau) were fully OK to military crush Germany, with or without the final treaty.

            Had Germany not agreed with it, the Allied nations were ready to invade Germany and make it suffer as much as Germany did with the occupied areas in France and Belgium during WWI, until an unconditional surrender was signed. Like it will happen again in 1945...
            Do not forget that most of the German army, despite been virtually crushed, and most of the politicians (including the Socialists !) were fully okay with starting again the war on the treaty deadline (June 23, 1919 - 7 PM).
            Walter Reinhardt, war minister of Prussia, was one of the few to aknowledge that the German Empire will be invaded without any hope of victory.

            See You

            Vince

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              #7
              Fv

              What about the Spanish Flu ??

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                #8
                I read that at least in the countries bearing the brunt of the war people were already weakened by the worsening living conditions (e.g. Germany also due to the British naval blockade and of course in general all inhabitants of the neighbouring countries battle zones and countries with restricted food distribution) - so all those people were very much prone to fall victim to a diesease that would not have been such a killer in peacetime. A mutant virus hitting the world at the worst time.

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                  #9
                  Kyle, yeah, we've proven hard to kill. I do think genetics has a role to play in outbreaks in terms of who might be more likely to survive. A Journal of the Plague Year has some good examples of families who came through pretty much unscathed while their neighbors all died.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Kyle Harrington View Post
                    What about the Spanish Flu ??
                    Read the article.

                    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/histo...ear-180965222/

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                      #11
                      Sorry Larry

                      I was referring to French Volunteer's comments, he was digressing

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                        #12
                        Hi,

                        no, it was not a digression.
                        I pointed the fact that the influenza that Wilson had (and which obviously diminished him) was not decisive at all on the Versailles Treaty, unlike the Smithonian wrongly suggested...

                        Wilson and others who thought that the treaty was too harsch for Germany commented that many - especially Clémenceau - didn't want to hear any "objections" on the very harsch treaty the Allied nations finally proposed to Germany.

                        The influenza had no effect on the final text.

                        See You

                        Vince

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                          #13
                          My Grandfather was born in 1882 and died in 1984 and was fully cognizant until he passed. It was amazing to talk to him. He was a locomotive engineer and would tell us stories about everything including this event. They stopped passenger service for a time being in 1918. More people died in our state from flu than they did in the fighting of WWI as well. This largely has been forgotten.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Kyle Harrington View Post
                            I was referring to French Volunteer's comments, he was digressing
                            No worries mate. Everyone will have their own take on any given subject, that's what makes for a great discussion, sorry I digress....

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by FrenchVolunteer View Post
                              Hi,

                              no, it was not a digression.
                              I pointed the fact that the influenza that Wilson had (and which obviously diminished him) was not decisive at all on the Versailles Treaty, unlike the Smithonian wrongly suggested...

                              Wilson and others who thought that the treaty was too harsch for Germany commented that many - especially Clémenceau - didn't want to hear any "objections" on the very harsch treaty the Allied nations finally proposed to Germany.

                              The influenza had no effect on the final text.

                              See You

                              Vince
                              Perhaps Clémenceau had the influenza as well, with an accompanying 103 degree temperature, intense coughing fits, diarrhea, cognitive or psychological confusion, and other serious symptoms, and just wanted to take it out on somebody?


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