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    Mold used to make Schindler ring almost tossed to the trash . . .

    Mold used to make Schindler ring almost tossed to the trash . . .
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    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/unique-schindler-artefact-donated-to-holocaust-museum-20160501-gojcpg.html

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    Wow what a story!

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      #3
      yeah a bull**** story..............

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        Originally posted by Gaspare View Post
        yeah a bull**** story..............
        I agree, nothing but BS lies.
        Last edited by shootar401; 05-23-2016, 07:32 AM.

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          #5
          What is is about the story that makes you believe it is all lies?

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            #6
            I would also like to know why there are two posts who think this is a BS story?

            Where is your proof? Please enlighten us...

            I joined this forum to find out information and learn but this doesn't seem to be the case with folks who claim something is BS and don't back it with facts and information..

            Leigh

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              first off it is not we who must prove.. They have the burden of proof when you make a claim like that.. There is not any provenance to the story let alone the ring..

              Do a search on 'lost wax cast' or 'investment cast' first please.. They are talking , lead model, then a impression in to a cuttle fish to make a mold,,then the burn out for the cast piece. A lot of procedures, time, materials.

              Being a ring collector when the movie was first made I was very interested in that part. They had very little time to produce a ring. No one would carve out a model, then make a mold, then do a cast. WAY to complicated!
              One of the workers simply cut a pattern into a fire brick [or similar]. Melted the materials, then poured it in to the mold. A bit of finish work and the engraving and they were done.
              Simple, cut pattern, pour in melted material.

              Actually Hollywood was pretty accurate for once. The scene where they produce the ring is pretty close to how it would have been done....

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                Originally posted by Gaspare View Post
                first off it is not we who must prove.. They have the burden of proof when you make a claim like that.. There is not any provenance to the story let alone the ring..

                Do a search on 'lost wax cast' or 'investment cast' first please.. They are talking , lead model, then a impression in to a cuttle fish to make a mold,,then the burn out for the cast piece. A lot of procedures, time, materials.

                Being a ring collector when the movie was first made I was very interested in that part. They had very little time to produce a ring. No one would carve out a model, then make a mold, then do a cast. WAY to complicated!
                One of the workers simply cut a pattern into a fire brick [or similar]. Melted the materials, then poured it in to the mold. A bit of finish work and the engraving and they were done.
                Simple, cut pattern, pour in melted material.

                Actually Hollywood was pretty accurate for once. The scene where they produce the ring is pretty close to how it would have been done....
                You would be amazed at how industrious the imprisoned are. Yes, they do spend a lot of time working and trying to secure a small scrap of food or something useful, but when they are lying in thier bunk or doing the many mindless tasks they have, they are all trying to figure something out. I work with prisoners in my spare time, and they watch everything, they collect anything that is useful and hide it. They make many small items of use with these materials. Some are for escape from prison and some are for escape from reality.

                I am most certain that the minds of those in the KLs were no different and I find it completely believable that a ring could be easily made. I think of Lt Cdr Alvarez who was in the Hanoi Hilton for many years. he manufactured an entire miniature communion set and celebrated the Catholic Mass every day with other prisoners, all under the constant observation of the VN guards who beat him often just for coughing.

                I see nothing unbelievable about the story at all. The thing that makes it most believable is that he donated the ring and was not compensated at all. Perhaps he wanted the notariety, but who would not want thier story told. Can you imagine what that ring would bring at auction. If he had attempted to sell it, then I too might be suspicious.

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                  #9
                  not saying they weren't industrious ..... Please just search lost wax cast or cuttle bone casting and check it out! Who would go thru all those steps when you would just have to do a couple!
                  The ring and story are being investigated...
                  Last edited by Gaspare; 05-25-2016, 08:29 PM.

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                    Originally posted by Gaspare View Post
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                    One of the workers simply cut a pattern into a fire brick [or similar]. Melted the materials, then poured it in to the mold. A bit of finish work and the engraving and they were done.
                    Simple, cut pattern, pour in melted material.
                    You have proof of that ? Because if not, its bull**** story

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                      I wonder how easy it was to get a cuttle fish bone as a slave labourer ?

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                        none of us were there so no one really knows..
                        But you gotta think,,what would be the easiest, fastest way to do it with little time involved and material!.. A cuttle bone cast is not the way in my opinion .

                        The model shown in the photo looks like a standard model since the 50s. That ring clearly shows a hole for a added device. A emblem, a gem/glass. [another few more steps, time, and material].

                        I'm sure the museum will do a through investigation....

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