70th Anniversary of Dresden Bombing

[Edward]

The bombing of Dresden was a warcrime. Point.
Just like The bombing of Warschau and Rotterdam.

And why was that? Ridiculous Mustache and the fat man initiated the bloody mess into action sans 1939, and alot of innocent-non German people ended up dead before Dresden because of it. Ask there relatives about war crimes.

[starikurac]

Bombing a defenseless city without military value, full of refugiees and killing with that action 100.000 innocent people is a war crime.
Point final.

[Totenhead]

I am not allowing anyone to accuse British Bomber Command of committing War Crimes. The thread may as well be closed down.

I knew it would come to this when I started the thread, nobody else had mentioned Dresden, so I thought I would.

I am not trying to mimic Carl von Clausewitz, but the crime commited was the war itself, the crime was WW2 itself.
Europe did not want another war, but a certain person insisted on it and the rest is history as they say.

[stgeorge64]

This is not a thread concerning the validity of a war crime, that is a pointless and self defeating exercise which has seen countless threads here de-railed and turned into a slanging match of school playground value.

This site discusses history, and the items which form that history.

This particular thread is about remembering the event of 70 years ago, not about who is planting their moral flag on any supposed high-ground and deciding what in now considered legal and what is not. WWII was an extreme conflict and in the modern 21 Century morals, the borders of right and wrong are well and truly lost in comparing events to these times.

For what is is worth I think the BBC coverage was a disgrace, simply because the slant was obviously totally one sided, and that side was against RAF Bomber Command, who despite their sterling sacrifice have become an easy target over the years for criticism in the bombing of Germany.

I was not going to post in this thread, and the probability is high that it will descend into a spiral of chaos however, when I remember that this very site has seen posts wishing RIP to former KZ guards yet considers the RAF war criminals on the same boards......then it is not right to stay silent.

[Jean-Loup]

"Europe did not want another war, but a certain person insisted on it and the rest is history as they say. "

A certain person wanted it, and many people whose degree of "innoncence" was variable paid for it.

JL

[-Ray-]

An example that goes to show war teaches you nothing!


-Ray-

[compressore]

To start discussing about war crimes or right or wrong is not he point.
This argue is long over in Germany as the ping-pong blaming is ridiculous and serves no good.

The anniversary of Dresden is to remember what war is in general: Violence, Pain, Death..for all sides involved.

Regards
Christian

[Gary Jucha]

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Did they have any fireworks at the end of the church service ?

[amiklic1]

Dresden. What a nice city it was. Famous by many things, and porcelain from Dresden is even today sought after by many collectors.

But...

What I see in this thread is that some of you are saying that just because someone else started the war, just because someone was attacked and some were defending their homes, the "right" side cannot be accused of commiting a war crime (?).

That's riddiculous.

War in Croatia was started by Serbian forces who wanted to take part of our country. They were helped by Serbian state and army, and we were just fighting for our homes. They were bombing our towns, and had a concentration camps in Serbia for our soldiers and civilians. Many people died there.
Would that mean than our army members and politicians could not commit a war crime?

No, of course.

So, leave a right-wrong part of the story aside. We all know who started a 2. world war, we all know who suffered, we all know who fought against that evil part of the story, but all of those who killed innocent civilians, who commited a mass-murders and were not acting as per the rules of war have commited a war crimes.

Like it or not, it's just like that ;-)

No point in raising this any more, as we should learn from the past. When I see how many wars were started from WW2, I must say that I can't be happy because of that. Many were started by those who defended freedom in WW2, for their own reasons. And no freedom can be achieved by starting a war.
No way.

I'd love to be able just to switch-off the wars from now on, as serving through our war bring me no good.