camp de concentration de Dachau

[eduens89]

bonjour,

la suite de mes visites :

Le quai et la chaussée d'origine découvert suite au déblaiement des gravas stocké ici par les américains lors de leur retrait du lieu.







le portail d'entrée avec l' "épitaphe": Arbeit macht frei : le travail rend libre...



le bâtiment du commandant du camp avant/ après





le bâtiment d'entrée



l'immense cour d'appel avec en fond un bâtiment restauré , logement des prisonniers





à gauche les bâtiments d'administration du camp





la périphérie du camp entouré de barbelé, un pied dans l'herbe encouré systématiquement la mort.









le bâtiment des prisonniers reconstruit.









l'intérieur, les lits superposé, au fur et à mesure des années l'espace de chacun fut restreint de plus en plus.











le bâtiment de la prison à droite et l'arriére des bâtiments administratif à droite



l'intérieur de la prison







l'intérieur des bâtiment administratif avec les marquages d'origine et un bureau ayant servit pour la classification des fiches des détenus.







Le premier bâtiment de crémation construit en allemagne , le camp de Dachau a servit d'exemple pour la construction des autres différents camp.



le bâtiment situé à côté contenant les pièces de désinfections, de douches et de crémation









le côté désinfection









la salle des douches





les "tiroirs" servant à introduire le zyclon B dans la pièce des douches



la pièce de crémation





une des tour de guet





un bunker à l'entré du camp



la suite de la visite berschtesgaden et l'obersalzberg

eduens

[Tom B]

MORE wonderful photo's !

Your photo's are fantastic....Thank you very much !!!!! Tom

[sscrooge]

great pics thanks for posting rgds Dave

[Duane E]

Thanks for the great photos.

[scotty1418]

Salut Eduens!

je te remercie fort pour ces photos car j'y suis alle quand j'etais jeune.

Ayant visite un peu le bourgogne, ou habites-tu? Je connais Dijon et ses alentours - belle region!

[Mil-Archive]

When I visited there the tour guide mentioned that it was not used for gassing people (but I believe he said that it could have been or was going to be).

There is an interesting article here on the chutes in your picture :

'les "tiroirs" servant à introduire le zyclon B dans la pièce des douches'

http://furtherglory.wordpress.com/20...u-gas-chamber/

[WalterB]

When I visited there the tour guide mentioned that it was not used for gassing people (but I believe he said that it could have been or was going to be).

There is an interesting article here on the chutes in your picture :

'les "tiroirs" servant à introduire le zyclon B dans la pièce des douches'

http://furtherglory.wordpress.com/20...u-gas-chamber/

Very good pictures, thank you for sharing them!

Out of curiosity, what is the common theory accepted nowadays? Was Dachau a prison / detention camp or did it also serve as an extermination camp? Were any camps in Germany extermination camps or were extermination camps only in the East (i.e., Poland, etc.)?

[Lloyd I.]

Very good pictures, thank you for sharing them!

Out of curiosity, what is the common theory accepted nowadays? Was Dachau a prison / detention camp or did it also serve as an extermination camp? Were any camps in Germany extermination camps or were extermination camps only in the East (i.e., Poland, etc.)?

Here are two direct quotes from the site listed above by Helden as a supposed intelligent reference to the holocaust, chutes and detritus:

"Two points;
1. Wikipedia is a kosher source of information and is orientated to support and protect the state of Israel and the power and influence of the Jewish people in the world.
2. The victors had a show sham trial for the guards at Stutthof, and delighted in slowly strangling innocent women and men who had served there before a crowd of 50,000 including many children."

Or take this one:
"FG wrote: “There was no ONE gas chamber design. The gas chambers in the Nazi camps were all different.”
But the laughable Holocaust narrative claims that the ‘Holocaust’ gas chambers were designed by General Hans Kammler, a German Doctor of engineering who was also in charge of the V-2 missile and jet programmes and who was conveniently dead at the end of WW2. A Genius in ballistics and aeronautics but apparently a total moron in gassing technologies and room design."

I could post more but you get the drift.

I guess it depends on who you're talking to. Sites like "furtherglory" with all its obvious intentions or whether you believe the original documented sources, actual German documents from men like Himmler, Heydrich and Goering.

Dachau's origins and intent are all well documented by the scum themselves.

[Mil-Archive]

Here are two direct quotes from the site listed above by Helden as a supposed intelligent reference to the holocaust, chutes and detritus:

"Two points;
1. Wikipedia is a kosher source of information and is orientated to support and protect the state of Israel and the power and influence of the Jewish people in the world.
2. The victors had a show sham trial for the guards at Stutthof, and delighted in slowly strangling innocent women and men who had served there before a crowd of 50,000 including many children."

Or take this one:
"FG wrote: “There was no ONE gas chamber design. The gas chambers in the Nazi camps were all different.”
But the laughable Holocaust narrative claims that the ‘Holocaust’ gas chambers were designed by General Hans Kammler, a German Doctor of engineering who was also in charge of the V-2 missile and jet programmes and who was conveniently dead at the end of WW2. A Genius in ballistics and aeronautics but apparently a total moron in gassing technologies and room design."

I could post more but you get the drift.

I guess it depends on who you're talking to. Sites like "furtherglory" with all its obvious intentions or whether you believe the original documented sources, actual German documents from men like Himmler, Heydrich and Goering.

Dachau's origins and intent are all well documented by the scum themselves.

The part you forgot to mention is that the site I referenced (on the basis of it's article about the chutes) contains comments sections which are open to the public and that is where you found the quotes above.

[carltiger]

Fine images, thank you for posting.

Re: WalterB,

"Out of curiosity, what is the common theory accepted nowadays? Was Dachau a prison / detention camp or did it also serve as an extermination camp? Were any camps in Germany extermination camps or were extermination camps only in the East (i.e., Poland, etc.)?"

Walter, Dachau was a class I Konzentrationslager - thus, a work camp - the lowest grade of regular concentration camp. Class II were also work camps, but those with harsher work and living conditions - Buchenwald, for example fell into this category. The third class was reserved for sites such as KL-Flossenbürg, KL-Natzweiler-Struthof, KL-Gross-Rosen and KL-Mauthausen, all of which, along with others, were known as "Knochenmühlen" ("Bone Mills"). These camps were directly attached to DEST administrated stone quarries. Typically, the mortality rate at these camps was much higher than at a regular Arbeitslager such as KL-Dachau. Extermination facilities were present at many camps, although the only Vernichtungslagers were located in the east .

Note: the classifications mentioned above came under the 1940/41 regulations and only relate to "regular" Konzentrationslagers. The Germans used over 50 different classifications of camp throughout the Third Reich period. Some camps also belonged to more than one category.

[Mil-Archive]

I have gone through my copy of the Dachau memorial site book, The book the museum bookshop sells very large quantities of to all visitors to Dachau - 'The Dachau Concentration Camp, 1933 to 1945 Text- and photo documents from the exhibition, with CD'



There is one mention of Gas on page 206 where it says the deathtoll for Dachau is 41,566. 32,099 from red cross records, 9,467 additional deaths. The figure for additional deaths includes 4,851 prisoners who died in Auschwitz. Otherwise I can't find mention of 'zyklon B' or 'chutes' anywhere in the official visitors guide /reference book.

I also came across this reference which I think clarifies the question :

In 1942, the crematorium area was constructed next to the main camp. It included the old crematorium and the new crematorium (Barrack X) with a gas chamber. There is no credible evidence that the gas chamber in Barrack X was used to murder human beings.

Source :
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article....uleId=10005214

[carltiger]

Fine images, thank you for posting.

Re: WalterB,

"Out of curiosity, what is the common theory accepted nowadays? Was Dachau a prison / detention camp or did it also serve as an extermination camp? Were any camps in Germany extermination camps or were extermination camps only in the East (i.e., Poland, etc.)?"

Walter, Dachau was a class I Konzentrationslager - thus, a work camp - the lowest grade of regular concentration camp. Class II were also work camps, but those with harsher work and living conditions - Buchenwald, for example fell into this category. The third class was reserved for KL-Mauthausen, one of the camps that were known as "Knochenmühlen" ("Bone Mills"). These camps were directly attached to DEST administrated stone quarries. Typically, the mortality rate at these camps was much higher than at a regular Arbeitslager such as KL-Dachau. Extermination facilities were present at many camps, although the only Vernichtungslagers were located in the east .

Note: the classifications mentioned above came under the 1940/41 regulations and only relate to "regular" Konzentrationslagers. The Germans used over 50 different classifications of camp throughout the Third Reich period. Some camps also belonged to more than one category.

To augment the above information, a brief note regarding the classification.

Mauthausen, the Class-III Konzentrationslager, was regarded in such a way as to be the holding centre for the prisoners deemed most serious offenders. The horrific conditions within the Mauthausen-Gusen camp system led to approximately 100,000 deaths - from around 200,000 deportations. A significantly higher mortality rate than at camps such as Buchenwald or Sachsenhausen-Oranienburg.

[N.C. Wyeth]

To augment the above information, a brief note regarding the classification.

Mauthausen, the Class-III Konzentrationslager, was regarded in such a way as to be the holding centre for the prisoners deemed most serious offenders. The horrific conditions within the Mauthausen-Gusen camp system led to approximately 100,000 deaths - from around 200,000 deportations. A significantly higher mortality rate than at camps such as Buchenwald or Sachsenhausen-Oranienburg.

Not to steer the ship too far away from the topic of Dachau . . . but if you ever make a journey to Mauthausen/Gusen/St. Georgen . . . this book is a MUST read - BEFORE you make a visit. I read it before my visit to Mauthausen, back in 2010 - and it prompted me to extend the visit from two days to four. There is still much to see in the region, and now, I hear the Bergkristall tunnels are about to be opened to the public - which I feel, a visit inside would make the experience all the more rewarding.

The Dachau camp photos are great - Thanks for sharing. A real "refresher" for my memory. It's been five years now, since we visited that site . . . and it now seems like an eternity . . .

[rob NL]

Please post in English here. I can't read French, and don't want to also.
Nice pictures btw.

[carltiger]

Not to steer the ship too far away from the topic of Dachau . . . but if you ever make a journey to Mauthausen/Gusen/St. Georgen . . . this book is a MUST read - BEFORE you make a visit. I read it before my visit to Mauthausen, back in 2010 - and it prompted me to extend the visit from two days to four. There is still much to see in the region, and now, I hear the Bergkristall tunnels are about to be opened to the public - which I feel, a visit inside would make the experience all the more rewarding.

The Dachau camp photos are great - Thanks for sharing. A real "refresher" for my memory. It's been five years now, since we visited that site . . . and it now seems like an eternity . . .

Indeed, I agree. Prior study of the Mauthausen-Gusen system is paramount to any visit preparation. Any serious student of the topic would never rely solely on the visit of a Stammlager, as the Konzentrationslagers system was far from the limit of the main camps.