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    #76
    hey there colin

    Wow thats alot of questions mate, but if you cant ask questions well never get a answear and we dont need history either, right.

    Well let me first congrat you whit these VIP papers you have and wich is a missing part of the resistance chapther in german history until now and a great part of evidence in the history to what happend and ended this heros life.

    Well Schrader was a great part of the resistance circkel arround the 20 july attemt , normally its forbidden for me whit common sense to scale people but in a organisation where all are heroes from top to bottom then he can imo be messerged on the importence of the role/function he played and from 1 to 10 ill say his role was a clear 6 but that a Whole history in itsefl and some still under history discuss he was the main factor of gathering information on the SS atrossities in the polish area, i might later this year make a thread of the german resistance Groups where meny of these people despite all odds and serten death worked against the terror performed by the 3 Reich.

    Well lets get back on the track and yes the zossen akten was actually 2 finds, first they found the plans for the 20 july attemt whit meny names of vip, there escaperoute, detail plans etc. and later they found the canarris day books in wich the organisation is in detailes descriped along whit alot of Loose documents so highly compromicing evidence, these 2 founds is making the zossen akten. its is for me still unclear if we are talking 2 diff safe or the same safe these documents and books was found, but using logic ill say 2 diff safe bec they must be exrtreem slow readers if they found both in the same safe but in that case Schrader would have canarris books and by defination not be the safe on the denkmal. And yes the denkmal is raised by the evangelisher kirche the very same organisation Dietrich Bonhoeffer was priest, shraeder was member along whit his dear friend Freytag von Loringhoven but the very same safe that are used for the denkmal is a original panzersafe from the former Haus der Offizirer added whit art form the evanglischer kirches youth. So imo most likley the same safe where some of the akten was found.

    But Schrader in wich your papers is arround was not menched in these zossen akten by name but sertenly was deeply involved but his cover was comprimiced in the end of the surch for evidence that involved the participating parts of the resistance organisation, his name was on some of the papers stacked away during the meny raids by the gestapo while they rolled up the organisation step by step whit the german Words " ordnung muss sein " so he knew from the 20 july until his death that is was on lent time before his name was approching the stage so schreader was under extreme pressure in a half dead stage trying to maintain a normal facade along helping his friends whit a pinhole of hope of his name not showing up on the list but after his dear friend Freytag von Loringhoven did commit suicide was manly the trigger to no hope at all and he was compromiced too at that point so a hero whit expertice in gatering evidence whitout any hope of escape, no friends and no time, so basicly he had no choise bec if the gestapo had getting there fingers arround him, hell never get the luxery of getting a bullit.

    The evidence thats was gathered by Schrader was schredded by gestapo so well never get a escact wiew of the ammount of evidence he gathred and that inflict the scale of importness or gets his role a bit blurey but imm not in doubt that these very courages men was more then professional and did there job fermly and imo hopefully hell by time get the right place in history in wich he deserves. If you wanna honnor this courages man then you can find him at the zossen friedhof in the suiside rank graves of person from maybach present there, but you have already planned that, right colin

    Your question arround where he killed himself in either maybach 1 or 2 is asking where the " mark of the X " is but he was on the okh side wich is maybach 1 so i can whit some 98 % sure say that it is on the maybach 1 area bec the maybach 2 was Manly used by the wehrmachtführungsstab planning the ardennen offencive both some before and especially after the offensive in the retreat fase so basicly it was a hoc FHQ for these, and furtheron the maybach complex was a unfinnished FHQ complex only operating in the end of the war whit only a 1/3 kapacity so siedlungshaus A13 to A15 was operationel and occupied by this staff + entourage. before that time the complex was less then a 1/3 bec of the moving of the " bunkerprogram " and mostly was a Building ground filled whit people for OT. It can be hard to say excat where he killed himself Manly bec the two complexces are " grown" together but what i can find in the history is that most of the suisiders from zossen did commit suiside at there officers quaters or barraks at maybach 1. As i read history some of the Führer-Begleitbataillon in wich it original was build for was also from time to time present in the area to maintain the führer kolonne in wich very large numbers of troops was involved. The hard part of the search is Manly bec of the high secret classification this area had and what happens inside the walls stays behind the walls. Luckely for us its slowly surfing.

    ill set a coupple of documents pics on here arround the FHQ.

    Well the last question is newtime and yes the Maybach 2 area is way to dangerus to explore alone, you can easly get spiked or step on something fatal, the area is practical as they left it in 48 and Theres a fence all arround the area whit " no tresspassing " and " dangerus area " that will meet your eyes so its slowly composing whit the lack of Money needed for preserving history wich imo is a pretty bad and sad thing.

    Hopefully you got a replie on your questions you can use, and the denkmal is present just outside the Gutenberghaus just across the road where you buy tour tickets so its pretty easy to find.

    cheers mate



    first pic : Werner Schrader
    Second pic : the organisation arround the Führer kolonne in whic the Führer-Begleitbataillon had people from both Heers and luftwaffe to support them.

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    Last edited by Carsten135; 01-17-2014, 05:56 PM.

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      #77
      298.JPGthe denkmal safe

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        #78
        Thanks for the lengthy reply Carsten. I appreciate it.

        I am lucky enough to have about 40 documents from Schrader's estate that I purchased as a set from a German dealer a decade ago. Most of the documents deal with negotiations between Schrader's brother in law and various party organizations including the Gestapo, Volkgerichtshof (Peoples' Court), Finance authority, SS etc. to get Frau Schrader's furniture back after confiscation and to secure a pension for her and her children. Amazingly he was successful as after his first round of vindictiveness Hitler authorized pensions for many of the family members at the same time as others were in a caravan of high value prisoners who were to be killed rather than surrendered to the Allies.

        You are right that there were 2 finds at Zossen. The best source I have found for the sequence of events is Hoehne's "Canaris." The first was cfrom Schrader's safe in September '44, found as the result of information provided by his driver Kurt Kerstenhan. While a specific inventory does not exist, one was created from the memory of the Gestapo investgators when they were being tried in hte 50's in West Germany for illegally killing the Canaris group. I can provide a reference for the contents when I get some to my library in a few days. This find did include a few pages from Canaris' personal diary.

        The second find was in the Spring of '45 in a different safe at Zossen. The find was made by General Buhle who was a"vitim" of the July 20 explosion. This find contained Canaris' complete diary. Schrader's wife Cornelia had a complete second set. which she burned to avoid it falling into police hands.

        The first find expanded the net cast by the July 20 Commission and led to the arrest of many officers involved in earlier plots like Halder, Falkenhausen, Hansen etc. The second find put Hitler over the edge and it was this evidence of Canaris' plotting that led him to order the immediate execution of Canaris, Dohnanyi, Bonhoeffer, Rabeanau, Gehre, Sack, Oster and Struenck.

        I can't comment on the Maybach I vs II issue but it is certain that II is most often reflected in the literature....but that often happens when others copy someone's initial error. As Schrader was a member of the OKH Abwehr section, Maybach I certainly makes some sense.

        If that is Schrader's actual safe, it should be in a museum rather than sitting outside rusting away. I expect it is a representative piece only but no less moving all the same.

        I agree that Schrader should be considered a major resister as he conspired against Hitler continually from 1933 to 1944, often in the company of his Brunswick Stahlhelm friend Friedrich Wilhelm Heinz. Schrader played a key rolle in planning the 1938 Oster coup attempt, he started the archive of Nazi crimes and then became custodian of it when it was merged with Hans von Dohnanyi's, he supressed the investigation into the explosives find at Mauerwald Camp Fritz in 1943, he was a named person in the Gestapo investgation into how Stauffenberg got his explosive in 1944. Finally his suicide had devastating consequences for many famous people.

        What is not known is that Schrader came close to getting the documents out of Zossen in 2 cars fitted with false floors. He got caught in camp and ultimately forced into suicide due to the lock down of the camp following prior suicides by Wagner and Freytag-Lorinhoven. There is evidence for this in the 1946 affidavit shown below signed by the wife of Schrader's replacement driver. I have other documents that also allude to this and to the betrayal of the family by Kerstenhan. I also attach the flow chart from the Gestapo report published in Jacobsen showing the flow of explosive material - you can see Schrader near the top.

        I hope this is of interest. I have other July 20 signatures if you decide to proceed with your resistance string plan.

        Cheers and thanks for the help.

        Colin





        Here's my go at translating the document into English:

        (Affidavit)

        Mr. Kurt Kerstenhan from Berlin, the former driver of Lieutenant-Colonel Werner Schrader, visited the wife of his successor, Mrs. Lena Waschke from Angerburg in East Prussia, now resident in Langenhorn in Schleswig, and asked her about some documents from the OKW. Mrs. Waschke told him that Lieutenant-Colonel Schrader had turned up on July 26, 1944, between 10 and 12 o'clock. He gave the order that two cars, which had been kept available for a year for an escape, should be readied. They would drive with the service car to Berlin and get the papers.

        The first car, which had a Swiss and Southern France registration number on the trunk and a double floor for the inclusion of the papers, was driven to Berlin-Zossen to get them. The driver of this car was to have been Mister Schatte from Angerburg. Nothing is so far known about the current whereabouts of Mr. Schatte.

        Colonel Schrader had already informed Mr. Waschke, who was up to then a soldier, that he should follow with the second car, which could carry 350 litres of fuel. In the evening, he also drove off toward Berlin. Mr. Waschke had admitted his opposition to the National Socialist regime to Mr. Schrader and was already unofficially being used for related courier services. During the time before he joined, Mr. Waschke was a foreman in the automobile workshop of the firm Bergmann and Son in Angerburg, which had been engaged by Mr. Kerstenhan for the repair and conversion of the cars. As a result, Mr. Waschke and Lieutenant-Colonel Schrader became acquainted.

        As late as two days before the death of Lieutenant-Colonel Schrader, there was still a plan to move these papers from OKW, which were stored in a bunker in Zossen, safely abroad. The plan apparently failed because an investigation had in the meantime been initiated in the camp and Lieutenant-Colonel Schrader could no longer leave.

        The signatures of the following persons certify the accuracy of the matters described above.

        Waschke Lena

        The correctness of the signature
        is authenticated.
        The Mayor
        I.A. Graener

        Langenhorn the 24.4.46
        Last edited by crfraser; 01-18-2014, 09:34 AM.

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          #79
          hey colin

          its nice to see new evidence of these mens wherebouts in the period between the failed attemt until they got compromiced, he got luckey to get Whole 8 days, meny of the participents was pretty fast under gestapo " interwiew" and they had some pretty nasty ways to get information out of people they was experts, and they had meny previus years to develope these methodes and trust me on this, they would had get everything out of him so you can see this from diff angels and say, that he might had safed some Lifes by taken his own life despite he knew that the last few cirkel of friends he had, deff got gestapos attention. So the damage could have be even higher. Ill set some pics of the the volksgerichthof where he would have ended if he had not commited suiside and meny of his friends are convicted to death there by the notorious Nazi lawyer and judge Roland Freisler. The pics are form last summer taken on one of my meny ekspeditions.
          The document you provide is very important in this chapther and if you get more of these dokuments the plz show us, its always nice to see the history gabs filled up whit facts. I do have contact to several meuseums in germany in wich i also provide whit some artifacts if i get something they are intrested whitin and especially document of there own history has a high priority, so i can recomend that you take contact to the Gedenkstätte Deutscher Widerstand in Bendlerblock and maybee provide them whit a copy of these documents from your Collection, they will be whit any doubts be intrested. Ill provide you whit a link of contact and if you decide to provide them whit these information it will then be one of the way both to honnor this guy and on the right path to justifie this heros place in history. You might have done that already but if not then heres the link.

          mailto: sekretariat@gdw-berlin.de

          Yer i agree whit the safe scould be on display on the museum in Maybach perhaps for preserving this part of the history but Again its nice that all see the denkmal when they arrive to the area, it might Loose it collor but it will luckely take meny generation before it wannish.

          Ill set a coupple of pics of Bendlerblock where there is today a museum for the german resistance and lokation for the event after the attemt the 20 july. Its deff wort a visit and also a remembrence to that german people had another side in this terror regime whit the sacrifice of being a part of a high risk suiside missions and did dare take the chances anyway.

          heres the pics.

          pic 1 : looking on the volksgericht Court from the roadside and where all the convicted drove pass for furthere execution.
          pic 2 : the frontgate.

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            #80
            pic 1 : the passing where they drove there last time in there life.

            pic 2 : the denkmal stone for these people

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              #81
              the Next 4 pisc are of the facade in wich they arrived and left too.

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                  #83
                  pic 1 : from inside the Building and the start of the 20 july trial.

                  pic 2 : The Devil himself Roland Freisler.

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                    #84
                    heres a coupple of pics of Bendlerblock but not taken by me. Its the outside look and pic 2 the famus gate where all the high ranks was passing daly.

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                      #85
                      pic 1 : the yard inside wherestauffenberg got executed along whit others

                      pic 2 : the denkmal

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                        #86
                        wartime pic from bendlerblock where after the attemt was a pretty buissy place

                        wartime damage

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                            #88
                            for me it seem naturel to show clear facts in history when we discover how its connected and maintain the knowledge it gives to the Next generation to handle. Sometimes it gives me the cripple to see the redundansy history provides.

                            The last pic for today is the result of the attemt the 20 july, the trial against the resistance wich start took place the 27 july, just one day before Schrade died. its whit a serten irony i show this pic bec it tells everything wich in clear Words are a evidence arround the nazi infrastructure in wich they self say that the " ideoligy " is not succesfull and further tells that they got very big problems in the innercircle, well done nazis and thx to history, so basicly they tells they are morons.

                            I am not in doubt that these men provided whit alot of paranoia to hitler in wich effected his state of mind to even worse.



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                              #89
                              Hi
                              Thanks for the great tour visit Berlin regularly but never knew this was there,
                              Thanks Mark

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                                #90
                                Thanks for the photos Carsten. I missed the site of the Volksgerichtshof when I visited Berlin. I didn't do my I research and instead found myself at the site of the Reich War Court on Witzlebenstrasse....not that that was a wasted trip by any means. I am very lucky having this group of documents. GDW has copies as do selected scholars like Peter Hoffmann with whom I frequently correspond and Ernst Roloff, a Brunswick historian with a special interest in Col. Schrader. The Washke document was given to Schrader's widow Cornelia by the Colonel's driver Kerstenhan (more on his role in the Zossen Akten can be found in Hoehne's Canaris).

                                It's an interesting set of papers dating from the date of Schrader's reenlistment in the Heer in 1934 to posthumous documentation. One of the most important to me is a personal letter from Schrader to his wife written while paid a quick visit to their Berlin apartment. It muses on what have been had Hitler not come to power and it has a very forlorn tone. Very moving even in translation.

                                I have a special interest in the Abwehr resistance circle. Here is a 1/6 scale portrait I recently completed of Admiral Canaris - hope it is of interest.





                                Regards

                                Colin

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