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    6 onces of shrpanel found after veteran's cremation

    Here is an interesting article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/w...his-death.html


    Were any German mines constructed with such shrapnel inside? To me this looks like shrapnel from a homemade bomb. There seem to be several pins from explosive devices included in the shranel!
    I have to say I am a bit surprised by the looks of the shrapnel, none of the pieces seem to have any kind of blast damage, nor look like items that were in an explosion. Perhaps this is because the mine was homemade so only produced a weak explosion, but I cant help but wonder if this could perhaps be a bizarre case of pica:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pica_(d...s_and_symptoms
    http://imgur.com/r/misc/k4DXF




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    Weighty memento: war veteran's secret revealed after his death<O</O
    The family of a war hero only discovered the full weight of his bravery after his death when his cremation left behind a huge pile of shrapnel.
    The bag contained a whopping 6oz of bomb shrapnel, roughly two handfuls, that Mr Brown had been carrying around for 60 years <O</O
    8:32PM BST 18 Oct 2012
    <O</O
    Ronald Brown stepped on a land mine while on a mission in France in August 1944. The blast peppered his left leg with red-hot fragments and he was forced to crawl two miles to safety. <O</O
    <O</O
    But because of medical conditions of the day it was thought safer to leave shrapnel in his body. He survived the war but only ever told his family the basic story and said the accident had left him with a 'bad knee'. <O</OMr Brown told loved ones he still had a 'bullet' in his leg and asked his grandchildren not to sit on his knee because of the pain it caused. <O</OBut when he died last week aged 94 his family had him cremated and were stunned when staff handed them back a big bag of shrapnel. <O</OThe bag contained a whopping 6oz of bomb shrapnel that he had been carrying around for 60 years. <O</ODaughter Jane Madden, 55, of Exeter, Devon said her father told her there was a bullet in his knee from the war, never mentioning the pile of fragments. <O</OShe said: "I don't think he ever realised all that was in his leg - it weighed about six ounces. <O</O"He'd said there was a bullet in his leg but I was imagining one romantic piece of metal. <O</O"But when we went to scatter his ashes we asked whether the bullet had been found and they gave us this bag full of metal. <O</O"It's just macabre really and amazing because he never used to complain about the pain. It just shows how brave he was." <O</OMr Brown, of Exeter, joined the East Yorkshire Regiment at the age of 21 and was a quartermaster when he suffered his injury. <O</OHe stepped on the booby trap while on manoeuvres in August 1944, two months after D Day. <O</OFollowing his death of a chest infection last week workers at Exeter and Devon Crematorium carefully sifted through his ashes and found the metal pieces. <O</OHis granddaughter, Holly, 22, said her grandfather "never spoke much about the war". <O</OShe said: "When we were very young he used to tell us not to sit on his knee because of the wound. <O</O"He would travel overseas to Australia and America and he was always setting off scanners as he walked through. <O</O"We always thought it was a bullet in the knee but when the funeral directors gave us this bag of shrapnel they had taken out we were shocked at how much there was. <O</O"We are all very proud of him and what he did for all of us. The bits of metal in him just show how horrible the war was. <O</O"I suppose it's a bitter-sweet memory for us because it symbolises everything he did and how he suffered." <O</OAfter the war grandfather-of-five Ronald became a tax inspector. His wife Gwendoline died 24 years ago. <O</OHolly, one of five grandchildren, said her grandfather kept a journal of his wartime experiences. In the diary he claims he introduced the British delicacy of egg and chips to people in France. <O</OBut he also spoke of how of the 900 original members of his regiment, only 29 came home from the front. <O</OJane said: "He had a good life and did a lot in his time. We all so proud of him."<O</O<O</O<O</O
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    Last edited by Jean-Loup; 10-19-2012, 07:16 AM.

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    I find I have to agree. The material in the photo does seems to me a bit odd for war related "shrapnel". Pica would indeed be an interesting explanation and indeed entirely plausible as far as I know.

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      #3
      Was just reading this story and thinking along similar lines. I think the family were just given everything that remained after the cremation, there's a few wood screws in there. Not that it changes the fact that he sounds like a modest and brave man.
      May he R.I.P.
      Dom

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        #4
        Another possibility is that the photo is actualy completely unrelated and posted for illustration purposes only?
        Cremation coffins are normaly made with no metal parts as far as I know, and assuming there are metal pieces, I doubt the funeral home workers would be stupid enaugh to mistake them for shrapnel.... but then again...

        Perhaps someone could send a letter to the daughter to ask for details.

        JL

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          #5
          im sure ive got my wires crossed, but there is this...

          Cutlery Craving

          The desire to eat metal objects is comparatively common. Occasionally there is an extreme case, such as that of 47 year old Englishman Allison Johnson. An alcoholic burglar with a compulsion to eat silverware, Johnson has had 30 operations to remove strange things from his stomach. In 1992, he had eight forks and the metal sections of a mop head lodged in his body. He has been repeatedly jailed and then released, each time going immediately to a restaurant and ordering lavishly. Unable to pay, he would then tell the owner to call the police, and eat cutlery until they arrived. Johnson’s lawyer said of his client, ‘He finds it hard to eat and obviously has difficulty going to the lavatory.”

          on a more serious note, the items shown look more like ied shrapnel, i would have thought. perhaps he was subject to such home-made ordinance while on service...

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            #6
            At left, what was found in the stomach of a pica patient, at left the shrapnel...
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              #7
              Here's a link to a story about metal reclaimed after cremations.

              http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7941646.stm

              In one of the pictures you can see coffin nails, more like staples really.
              To my eyes they look somewhat similar to what we are seeing here.
              Cheers Dom
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                #8
                I think you are right, these must be staples and the odd screw used in the coffin construction. Anyways, some remains of the coffin seems much more likely then pica eating disorder.

                I am quite convinced now that these metalic remains are NOT shrapnel for sure. I think a visit to the crematorium, an inspection of their oven and a discussion with the staff would be very interesting. It seems like the staff gave out several cremations worth of metal pieces. They probably figured: 'The family wants something metalic, lets just give them all the piece we find and they can sort them out on their own.'

                What I though was safety pins from some kinds of detonators is actualy probably backing pins of buttons, coffin handles or something along those lines.

                I have sent a letter to the editor and to snoopes.com about this article.

                JL
                Last edited by Jean-Loup; 10-19-2012, 01:42 PM.

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