Messerschmitt ME109 G-6

[jiipee76]

Today i noticed this fighter plane nearby road when i was driving towards city of Lappeenranta.This one is 3rd remaining Messerscmitt ME109 of Finnish Airforce.It is located in Utti Jager Regiment,nearby city of Kouvola.

Sorry for "poor" pictures,but plane is behind glass.And my camera was poor mobile phone camera.Plane looks very nice,i recommend visiting it if you travel in Finland.

[Gran Sasso]

Great! - Any idea since when it is on display? I was cycling from Kouvola to Lappenranta, back in 1989...

[jiipee76]

Great! - Any idea since when it is on display? I was cycling from Kouvola to Lappenranta, back in 1989...

This MT-452 has been in Utti since 1970,before that there were MT-507 which is nowdays in Keski-Suomen Ilmailu Museo,Tikkakoski/Jyväskylä(Aviation Museum of Central Finland Tikkakoski).

Actually there is only 2 and half of these planes.Finnish Aviation Museum(Helsinki) have the 3rd one,which is only front fuselage.

After war,there were over 100 left but now only 2,5...

[Black Hornet]

Very cool. Has Erla Haube canopy. Wonder how many of these went to Finland.

Finland made a emulation of the 109, nicknamed the "wooden Messer"


Conceived to make maximum use of indigenous materials with emphasis on suitability for operation from small Finnish front-line airfields under the most severe climatic conditions, the Pybrremyrsky (Whirlwind) was designed by Dipl-Ing Torsti R Verkkola. Powered by a 12-cylinder inverted-Vee Daimler-Benz DB 605AC engine rated at 1475hp, the Pyorremyrsky had a single-spar wooden wing with plywood skinning and a fuselage of steel-tube construction with detachable metal panels forward and a wooden ply-covered mono-coque aft. Armament comprised one engine-mounted 20mm MG 151 cannon and two 12.7mm LKK/42 machine guns, provision being made for two 200kg bombs underwing. Prototype construction was slowed by the preoccupation of the VL with higher priority programmes, and work on the Pyorremyrsky, which had languished for several months, came to a halt with the Finnish-Soviet Armistice of 4 September 1944. Somewhat surprisingly, construction of the fighter was resumed later, in January 1945. A DB 605AC engine was removed from a Bf 109G and installed in the prototype, which flew for the first time on 21 November 1945. The Pyorremyrsky could outclimb the Bf 109G-6 and was more manoeuvrable, but, as no funds were available for the purchase of new aircraft for Ilmavoimat and sufficient Bf 109Gs remained to equip the Ilmavoimien fighter force that was permitted under the Armistice terms, the prototype was grounded after 30 hours flying and the programme terminated.

http://www.wwiivehicles.com/finland/...nd-fighter.asp

http://www.aviastar.org/air/finland/vl_pyorremyrsky.php

[jiipee76]

[Black Hornet]

Great shots man. Never seen the one where they are side by side. Very cool.

Here's some gun info most sites don't carry, ( centrally arranged vs midwing).


Rolf Pingel;
The new arrangement of the guns in the nose of the Me 109 F enables pilots to fire very accurately while in a turn and to open fire at a greater range. This pilot, however, usually opened fire at about one hundred yards, closing to fifty yards. There have been absolutely no unfavourable comments on the reduction of armament; the present arrangement is regarded as ideal.




Rall;
I did not like the outboard guns of the FW-190 because the high G-forces caused jamming and mechanical troubles. I preferred three guns in the center of the aircraft, right along the longitudinal axis. This mean you had to aim very carefully, but when you did, our excellent ammunition got the job done. It had high explosive power, and when you hit an enemy aircraft that was "good night."


Gunther Rall, in Fighter Aces of the Luftwaffe,
Constable and Toliver, 1977.






Doug Bader;
the Hurricane wing was thicker and straight. The Spitfire was less steady when the guns were firing because, I have always thought, they were spread further along the wing, and the recoil effect was noticeable.


Like all pilots who flew and fought in the Hurricane, I grew to love it. The aeroplane remained rock steady when you fired. Unlike the Spitfire with its lovely elliptical wing which sloped towards the tip




http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWmitchellR.htm







During a turning combat the effectiveness of the outboard machine guns was low because if the aircraft was pulling 'g' the flexing of the wings meant that the rounds scattered in a large cone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superma...wered_variants)

[Tony T-S]

Great shots of the 109s and the Italian?? one too.

[jiipee76]

Great shots of the 109s and the Italian?? one too.

No it aint Italian,it is Finnish wartime prototype called: Pyörremyrsky (Whirlwind).Engine is from 109 but performance was even better.Prototype only flew 30hours and after tests this plane type was forgotten.Airforce had enough 109´s so they did not need equal(or littlebit better) plane type.

[Black Hornet]

It's a very interesting kite, has slight Gull wing aspect, & looks like cockpit is slightly higher than 109s.

Being mostly wood, I would wonder if it could dive as well as 109, or was very "robust". Yak 3 was mostly wood, very maneuverable, but not so robust.


Prototype construction was slowed by the preoccupation of the VL with higher priority programmes, and work on the Pyorremyrsky, which had languished for several months, came to a halt with the Finnish-Soviet Armistice of 4 September 1944. Somewhat surprisingly, construction of the fighter was resumed later, in January 1945. A DB 605AC engine was removed from a Bf 109G and installed in the prototype, which flew for the first time on 21 November 1945. The Pyorremyrsky could outclimb the Bf 109G-6 and was more manoeuvrable, but, as no funds were available for the purchase of new aircraft for Ilmavoimat and sufficient Bf 109Gs remained to equip the Ilmavoimien fighter force that was permitted under the Armistice terms.

http://www.aviastar.org/air/finland/vl_pyorremyrsky.php

[Biber]

It's a very interesting kite, has slight Gull wing aspect, & looks like cockpit is slightly higher than 109s.
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http://www.aviastar.org/air/finland/vl_pyorremyrsky.php

Yes I was thinking that as well. Were it not for the distinctly 109ish tail, one could have mistaken it for an HE 112 or even an HE 100/113.

[Black Hornet]

Spits & Corsairs have Gull aspects also, though Corsair is much more pronounced.

Would've been interesting had Finland stayed in the war longer, or begun work on it earlier to see what it might've done. Pilot views are always the sheet as they say for the real story on a fighters capacity. The designers usually gloss over any minor details that don't show it in a positive light.

Quill I think it was said the MK 14 Spit was the best, Johnnie Johnson had a different view.

[Biber]

Spits & Corsairs have Gull aspects also, though Corsair is much more pronounced.

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I think it's (a la Corsair and Stuka) actually referred to as inverted gull wings.

[Black Hornet]

Yah, Stuka also has it. Spitfire got it's slight gull aspect shape from the Heinkel HE 70

http://www.militaryfactory.com/image...he70-blitz.gif



Shenstone had left his native Canada and early training as an RCAF pilot, to study at Junkers and then under the father of the delta wing - Alexander Lippisch in Germany in the early 1930s

http://www.amazon.com/SECRETS-THE-SP.../dp/184884896X


Beverly Shenstone, Canadian aerodynamicist, did the outstanding wing design
http://spitfiresite.com/2010/04/mr-m...nt-mind.html/2





http://dbdesignbureau.buckmasterfami...ical_wings.htm

The HE 70 had a top speed of 234 mph (377 km/h) which was 70 mph faster than the Orion. The Blitz soon established many world speed records in its class. At the time, only a few specialised racing planes were flying faster, more to the point the HE 70 was considerably faster than all of the fighters then in service with the British and French air forces.


This was a wake-up call to the RAF, who despached a Rolls-Royce representative to Germany to purchase a HE 70, to be fitted with a R.R. Kestrel engine. Back in England this aircraft became a test bed for the development of the new Rolls Royce racing engine, as used in the Schneider Cup seaplanes, into what became the R.R. Merlin.

Later we met when he came to Australia as president of the Royal Aeronautical Society. Although I tried to quiz him about the HE 70 and the early Spitfire design, Shenstone stuck to the party line: that the elliptical wing for the Spitfire came only as a consequence of the RAF requirement for eight machine guns!

[Black Hornet]

It is said the Japanese Val also borrowed from the HE 70 wing.

http://www.aviastar.org/pictures/japan/aichi_d3a.gif


The Aichi design started with low-mounted elliptical wings inspired by the Heinkel He 70 Blitz.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aichi_D3A




In November 1934 Shenstone went to the Paris Air Show where the Germans had unveiled their Heinkel 70 aircraft with elliptical wings. On November the 16th the RAF published the requirement for eight guns. It is believed that the decision for an elliptical wing on the Spitfire was made in the second half of that month.

http://thoughtality.com/the-spitfire-wing