Mutiny participants at minesweeper m612

[Mausersport]

Looking for the names of the participants of this mutiny. I just found out that my grandfather is burried in the same graveyard as most of them(Sønderborg).
His date of death is couple of days of but seems to be lots of misspellings in this data. His cause of death is what boggles me.

The leader of the mutiny, Heinrich Glasmacher has date of death 05.05.1945 and additional info reads "auf Reede vor Sonderburg erschossen"
Guess the M612 was named Reede.



"On 5 MAY 1945 11 sailors from a German minesweeper (M 612) were executed aboard their ship a little north of Sønderborg Denmark. The day before the MS had been orderd to sail into the Eastern Baltic to participate in the evacuation of German troops still fighting in pocktes. On receiving this order part of the crew committed armed mutiny and took over the ship. They were however detected and boarded by another ship, the sailors were arrested, trial was held, 11 were sentanced to death and they were executed the next evening. Their bodies were dumped at sea, Mafia style, and their bodies drifted ashore later. 7 were given a proper burial, 4 have never been found"

Can anybody find out?

[PlaceOfBayonets]

I have no answers for you and held off on this post for others to post what you are looking for but it seems no one knows.

Wanted to know if you can tell us more from an informational stand point on the mutiny such as why did they not want to comply with the orders that were meant to save their comrads? Was it viewed as a suicide mission?

William

[Mausersport]

Mutiny

http://members.iinet.net.au/~gduncan/maritime-2b.html

All I got.

[PlaceOfBayonets]

Wow interesting in that Germany surrendered two days before this mutiny. I suppose the crew were within their rights to refuse orders to engage in any warfare and the Germans still fighting in the trapped pockets were only obligated to surrender.

W.

[DaveNZ]

Wow interesting in that Germany surrendered two days before this mutiny. I suppose the crew were within their rights to refuse orders to engage in any warfare and the Germans still fighting in the trapped pockets were only obligated to surrender.

W.

I guess they were still members of the Wehrmacht regardless whether germany had surrendered and because of this it was still their duty to follow orders.

Refusing to follow orders is one thing, but staging a mutiny takes it to a whole new level.

I would also say that things were very chaotic at the end of the war and desperate measures were being taken by many; both for and against German Miltary honour.


cheers

dave

[PlaceOfBayonets]

Well, you have to consider they were on a ship. If they refused orders they would still be along for the ride.

W.

[Napalm]

Well, you have to consider they were on a ship. If they refused orders they would still be along for the ride.

W.

The german government had ceased to exist as an entity so by definition would that not negate all orders?

[DaveNZ]

The german government had ceased to exist as an entity so by definition would that not negate all orders?

that's not what i believe to be correct; Doentiz was in Flensburg leading the German state for a while before he was eventually arrested and the Reich officially dissolved.

at the time of the above Mutiny the German state/army/government still had a relative amount of power

[DaveNZ]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flensburg_Government

[Napalm]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flensburg_Government

Thks Dave
72 hours, I have looked into the last few days before but was not familiar of the last pockets except for the guys in the weather station up in the artic.
Cheers
Napalm

[PlaceOfBayonets]

I still would think their only obligation was to surrender to the nearest allied force. If the captain would not allow it then I can see their point. I think at that point it was their right to surrender.

[Mike H]

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The war ended 8 May 1945 ....

[PlaceOfBayonets]

German forces (whole armies) began durrendering May 5th.

[DaveNZ]

I think at that point it was their right to surrender.

But it still was their duty to follow orders regardless

[PlaceOfBayonets]

That is a contridiction, so where does the truth lay? International law?

W.