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    Hiroshima Memorial

    Sixty-five years after dropping an atomic bomb on Hiroshima, Japan, and killing more than 140,000 people, the United States will send its first ever delegation to a ceremony commemorating the attack.
    On Friday, U.S. Ambassador John Roos will join representatives from 75 countries at the Hiroshima event, but he is not expected to speak. World War II allies France and Britain will also send delegations to the ceremony for the first time.
    The memorial event will feature a minute of silence and the release of 1,000 white doves, AFP reported. The thousands of Japanese who survived the attack, but spent the rest of their lives suffering the affect-effects of injuries, illness and grief, will also be honored.

    During a previous visit to the city, Ambassador Roos toured the Hiroshima Peace Museum and left a note in the guestbook that read: "A visit to Hiroshima is a powerful reminder of the destructiveness of nuclear weapons, and underscores the importance of working together to seek the peace and security of a world without them."

    U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon visited the Atomic Bomb Museum in Nagasaki on Thursday, a first by a U.N. chief. More than 70,000 people died when the U.S. bombed the southern Japanese city on Aug. 9, 1945. Six days later, Japan surrendered and World War II ended.

    According to The Associated Press, Ban called for all nations to work together to create a world free from nuclear weapons. "The only way to ensure that such weapons will never again be used is to eliminate them all," he said. "There must be no place in our world for such indiscriminate weapons."

    #2
    As long as the theme is something like "We hope the world can all live in peace" and not "Oh, we are so sorry, we are ashamed America is so terrible" like has been going on lately.

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      #3
      Funny thing though. Nukes are the only weapons that have ever ended a war on thier own and then kept the peace.
      pseudo-expert

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        #4
        I'll be getting along to the Hiroshima memorial here in my city tonite

        however i find it interesting in the articles listed above that there is a desire from some japanese people to get an apology from the USA.

        The Japanese havent exactly been forthcoming with apologies for their own terrible excesses in WW2. Inc. what they did to my great uncle who was a NZ POW under the Japanese...
        Last edited by Jack Melvin; 08-07-2010, 07:16 AM. Reason: Removed derogatory reference

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          #5
          Originally posted by DaveNZ View Post
          I'll be getting along to the Hiroshima memorial here in my city tonite

          however i find it interesting in the articles listed above that there is a desire from some japanese people to get an apology from the USA.

          The Japanese havent exactly been forthcoming with apologies for their own terrible excesses in WW2. Inc. what they did to my great uncle who was a NZ POW under the Japs...
          Exactly. Without going into all the details, Japan did draw first blood. It was estimated that it would have taken hundreds of thousands of American lives to invade Japan so that in itself justified the use of the Atomic Bomb.
          The Japanese treatment of Allied POWs is well known, they butchered Chinese in bulk, they don't deserve an apology for anything in my opinion.

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            #6
            Just back from the Memorial.

            It was good.plenty of people.

            Lanterns were released into the avon river here.

            never thought i would end up at such an event but I am glad i went

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              #7
              Well

              Well Dave, ... interesting to see you back the Americans on this one ...
              .. No Dresdens in Japan then !





              Originally posted by DaveNZ View Post
              I'll be getting along to the Hiroshima memorial here in my city tonite

              however i find it interesting in the articles listed above that there is a desire from some japanese people to get an apology from the USA.

              The Japanese havent exactly been forthcoming with apologies for their own terrible excesses in WW2. Inc. what they did to my great uncle who was a NZ POW under the Japs...

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                #8
                Originally posted by Don Doering View Post
                Funny thing though. Nukes are the only weapons that have ever ended a war on thier own and then kept the peace.
                Well said. I have often wondered how many people would have died during the "Cold War" if there had not been nukes around to keep it from getting hotter. It's funny how India and Pakistan quit fighting once they had nukes, etc. Yet we are told how peaceful the world would be if we could just get rid of them? I'm not exactly having a love affair with them; the idea of the Iranians getting them scares the heck out of me, but I suspect that getting rid of them will not bring about an everlasting era of peace around the world.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Gary Jucha View Post
                  Well Dave, ... interesting to see you back the Americans on this one ...
                  .. No Dresdens in Japan then !


                  im not backing anyone

                  you have misinterpreted my post

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by robcox1 View Post
                    Well said. I have often wondered how many people would have died during the "Cold War" if there had not been nukes around to keep it from getting hotter. It's funny how India and Pakistan quit fighting once they had nukes, etc. Yet we are told how peaceful the world would be if we could just get rid of them? I'm not exactly having a love affair with them; the idea of the Iranians getting them scares the heck out of me, but I suspect that getting rid of them will not bring about an everlasting era of peace around the world.
                    Well from what I got you should welcome Iran getting nukes. Won't it bring peace too?

                    If you really want peace keep the nukes but take away all those special bunkers that the govenrment can hide in. When they have to face the consequences like the rest of us they will play their cards with more thought.

                    W.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by DennyB View Post
                      Exactly. Without going into all the details, Japan did draw first blood. It was estimated that it would have taken hundreds of thousands of American lives to invade Japan so that in itself justified the use of the Atomic Bomb.
                      The Japanese treatment of Allied POWs is well known, they butchered Chinese in bulk, they don't deserve an apology for anything in my opinion.
                      Thats no excuse IMO to kill a whole city full of civilians, and without military objects - just to test a new weapon.

                      If they had choosen a military target, no problem, but that way...

                      You have to differ war (fighting regular soldiers) and killing civilians.

                      A excuse (as given for Dresden) would not hurt, but might be a big step forward.

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                        #12
                        I have very little sympathy for the Japanese, better remember the people of another city, Nanking and many others, to quote B Harris "they reaped the whirlwind".
                        Last edited by Jack Melvin; 08-07-2010, 07:18 AM. Reason: Removed derogatory reference to Japanese.

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                          #13
                          I think it is quite clear that if the Japanese had had the atomic bomb, they would have used it with no hesitation. If you look at the number of casualties caused by the atomic bombs, they arent particularly heavy compared to casualties caused by all the conventional bombings that occured in WW2. Bombing civilians was the way that things were done by all sides in WW2.

                          However, I cant help but be ironicaly reminded of some statements that were made in my thread about flechettes a couple of days ago.

                          "That is what war is about, killing the enemy. Terrorists kill far more innocent civilians though and not the soldiers they claim to be fighting. "

                          "I think what makes it despicable is that the terrorists usually set off said bomb in an Market , Cafe , or Pizzeria. "

                          It seems to me like the atomic bombs are a fine case where double standards are used to define what type of action occured.

                          JL

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                            #14
                            The Bomb was the decisive strike to bring the Japanese government to the peace table. Without the bomb the war would have gone on for several more years, inflicting 100 times the numbers being killed. The entire population of Japan was mobilized in preparation to repel the invasion. The invasion of the home islands would have been a blood bath! If the landings took place the US military estimated up to 2 million US soldiers KIA and estimates as high as 30-35 times this for the Japanese (men, women and children) . Soldiers fighting the Japanese and the population(s) behind the soldiers were sick of war. If the US didn't use the bomb, just think, many Americans alive today would not exist. Additionally, if the people found out that the US possessed a bomb which could have changed the course of the war and it wasn't used, the government would have been impeached. Bottom line, the bomb was a terrible weapon for a terrible war. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o></o>
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                              #15
                              Yep - don't know any soldiers fighting the Japanese in August 1945 (my uncle included) who were unhappy with the use of nuclear weapons on the home islands.

                              The late George MacDonald Fraser's memoirs (Lance-Corporal, The Border Regiment, 17th Indian Division) are eloquent on this point.

                              Mike

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