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**fldjr** · 07-25-2010, 04:08 PM

The newspaper website's photo of Stauffenberg is actually of Leon Degrelle, an SS officer...

**NZMark** · 07-25-2010, 04:12 PM

Yes...waving both arms was the first giveaway something was terribly wrong

Mark

**Jonathan M** · 07-25-2010, 05:29 PM

This man told him how he was woken from his sleep by a detachment of "excited" SS men who asked to be "guided to an area where they could dig a grave big enough to take 10 bodies." After the cemetery inspector showed them where to dig he was dispatched back to his quarters and warned to "say nothing" of the night's proceedings. He was convinced, following news of the failed plot in the following days, that Stauffenberg and his fellow conspirators had been buried there.

Wasn/t Stauffenberg executed by Wehrmacht soldiers?

**crfraser** · 08-02-2010, 12:49 PM

No way....

Yes, Stauffenberg was shot by a firing party of the Gross Deutschland Guard battalion.

Virtually impossible -

- rather coincidental date for the release - July 20!
- why would this be in a man's will when the guy in the know would have been a national hero for spilling the beans earlier?
- why would the SS disinterr Stauffenberg, Beck, Olbricht, Quirnheim and Haeften after one night buried in a churchyard just to rebury them in another cemetary?
- ostensibly this was the night of July 20, when Stauffenberg was already buried;
- a pseudo-respectful burial makes no sense given the contempt the regime held the potters in;
- all other executed plotters were cremated - the Nazis had lots of access to crematoria in nearby KZs or even civilian facilities;
- why 10 graves needed for 5 men?
- while there were going to be more executons that night, they were stopped by the arrival of Skorzeny - but the SS would not have been looking for grave sites;
- why would the site remain secret given that it would be known to multiple people who would have buried them?

I sent the link to Prof. Peter Hoffmann and got back a terse "highly implausible" ....as expected...... although he pointed out the obvious availability of DNA testing to confirm.

Colin

**Jean-Loup** · 08-02-2010, 02:04 PM

Very illogical and improbabmle things can happen in times of war. The best solution is to try to exhume these bodies, and see who they are.
If some unidenfied bodies are buried, they should be exhumed, whoever they are.

**DonC** · 08-02-2010, 03:21 PM

My understanding was that the bodies were exhumed after a day, stripped of medals and decorations and then cremated. I'll be interested to see what comes of this.

Don

**tgn** · 08-03-2010, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by PlaceOfBayonets View Post

These conspirators were the first of thousands to be executed in the aftermath of the plot. Most were hanged on piano wire in the Gestapo prison of Ploetzensee in Berlin, their death throes filmed for Hitler to view in private at his cinema at his Berchtesgaden mountain retreat....

I have heard this story for years now. Anyone ever see these movies? I have always had doubts about this "piano wire" story and I don't think Hitler would have had much pleasure in viewing such a movie.

Lots of items were recovered at Berchtesgaden. Was this movie found?

Tom

**Johnny R** · 08-03-2010, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by Jean-Loup View Post

Very illogical and improbabmle things can happen in times of war. The best solution is to try to exhume these bodies, and see who they are.
If some unidenfied bodies are buried, they should be exhumed, whoever they are.

I agree and they can easily do DNA testing with living relatives.

**DennyB** · 08-03-2010, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by tgn View Post

Lots of items were recovered at Berchtesgaden. Was this movie found?

Tom

I have never heard that any of those movies ever being found, if they indeed ever existed.

**crfraser** · 08-03-2010, 07:35 PM

Apparently there is some evidence of the films being screened at Wolfschanze (Speer memoirs for what that is worth) by Waffen SS and shunned by Heer. The "piano wire" is almost certainly false (thin cord yes) and the executions and suicides totalled less than 200, not thousands.

Colin

**MauserKar98k** · 08-03-2010, 09:12 PM

Originally posted by fldjr View Post

The newspaper website's photo of Stauffenberg is actually of Leon Degrelle, an SS officer...

The wrong photo is still up. How did no one else spot this?
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**crfraser** · 08-04-2010, 02:16 PM

Makes the Telegraph look flatly stupid.....and I thought they were a good paper! No wonder they don't allow a readers' comment area if they make boners like this one! Even a non-historian friend of mine noted "too many eyes, hands and fingers!"

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