somebody (i think century ) has them but wants 4000.00 ( to much)
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Originally posted by pzrwest View PostMarstar Canada has been selling the semi-auto mp44's for awhile now only thing is for a Canadian to purchase one they have to hold a restricted PAL. And if you have that permit you can't use the mp44 for re-enacting because it can only be fired at a licensed firing range like at a handgun club. Also you have to have a permit to convey just like we do for a handgun
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Fascinating. I am going to look into the legality of manufacturing semi-autos from older parts kids, and the 80% receivers. I'm in the process of becoming a manufacturer, and I think these would be good sellers, if they can be constructed so as not to violate federal law. However, my guess is that if it was possible, someone would have done it by now!
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i thought the originals were cheaply made, pressed metal and so on..research and development not but manufacture yes. so, likewise i guess these firms are charging alot to make up the initial outlay.
cant understand the price though...imo out of key with reality.
what really stinks though is how a handful of utter nutcases letting off guns have meant reenactors like yourselves have to jump through so many hoops just to get hands on realistic replicas for their hobby.still i hope all who want one can get them at a reasonable price. having looked on the web, a deac mauser though is a cheap and cheerful alternative to those unable to take out a bank loan or sell an organ in order to buy one of these pieces of precision lookalike firearms.
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Originally posted by Craig Gottlieb View PostI would think that an affordable semi-auto could be made. There's nothing illegal about it, but to be honest, it's the full-auto fun that really "makes" this gun.Cheers, Steve
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True enough. I am fairly certain that the key to making one is to be sure it is not like the MAC-10 "Open Bolt" semi-auto: something that is easily converted (or something that fires full auto when broken). That's probably the big snag. "ATF approvable" parts are probably totally different than the normal internal mechanisms of the original. Just my guess, anyway.
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I would love to have one but $5,000 is a bit much for me. They were selling in Canada a year ago for under $3,000 which seemed more in line with reality to me. I have thought that it would be more cost effective to import the bulk of the parts from Germany (SSD) and have them assembled in the USA to conform with BATFE guidelines. Original parts seem to go very high.
One would think that if 150 guns are produced and sell out almost overnight, this would show that there is a market for them and some enterprising person would pick up the ball and run with it. Surely a quality mag could be manufactured for under the current price of $129.00 each. Most buyers would want a total of 7 mags, one in the gun and 6 in the pouches.
Seems like opportunity is knocking.
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I know nothing of manufacturing weapons but I see where there are American made or at least partially American made but assembled in the USA AK-47's that are selling for less than 10% of what is being asked for the semi-auto MP-44. I have to ask what is so different about the manufaturing process that makes the AK-47 so cheap to produce and the MP-44 so expensive?
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Denny, a very good question. I should think that it would not be hard to produce the MP40. The reason clone AKs are so cheap is that the production tooling already exists, and I'm sure that surplus parts can be bought by the truck-load for next to nothing, what with the fact that it's the most popular rifle in the world. That said, where there's a will, there's a way. I am going to get busy figuring out how to do it. It will probably involve high start-up costs. But I do agree - the market is there.
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The rifles are made with original dies, tooling, etc.; which is quite expensive. You also have to account for import fees - the Euro vs. the dollar - and the fact that there are U.S. made parts that had to be manufactured here and placed on the PTR44 rifles to make them 922r compliant before they could be shipped out. All this contributed to the increase in price between the other ones being sold in other countries. Unfortunately, PTR also had to do some chamber reaming and extractor work to make them function correctly. The starting price was $4300 and that's what I paid for mine. The price increase to $5000, in my opinion, was just greed when they realized the market was here for how many they brought in, but there were other factors as well. The Canadian ones were allowed in "as is" so they didn't have most of these issues. I must say that they are VERY nicely made by the Germans.
D Day
P.S.: There is discussion now that SSD may be looking for another importer to bring in more, but they would have to have some of the tooling to do it. Additional mags. (repro. ones) are coming in soon too for PTR buyers to snatch up.
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So there wasn't a profit figured in at the $4,300.00 price? Adding $700.00 per gun just might price them out of some people's market. As I said before, mags would be where some money could be made with most owners wanting 7 mags and who ever started mass producing ammo, both live and blank at decent prices would be in on the ground floor.
I have no idea how many reenactors, collectors, and shooters would buy one of these but the figure 2,000 would not surprise me in the least. Maybe not at $5,000 but somewhere closer to $3,500 and mags at $100 each would probably move right along. With the first 150 gone within a month says they would move. I have tried to find a place that has one in stock and have been unable to.
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