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    Notorious SS unit 'traced'
    Polish authorities claim to have identified three survivors of an infamous SS unit that garnered a reputation for brutality that shocked even German wartime commanders.


    By Matthew Day in Warsaw
    Last Updated: 7:20PM BST 17 Apr 2009

    Prosecutors attached to Poland's Institute of National Remembrance (IPN), the body charged with investigating crimes committed during the war, have announced that they intend to bring the men to justice for their apparent involvement in the suppression of the Warsaw Uprising while serving with the SS Dirlewanger Brigade.

    The unit, named after its leader Oscar Dirlewanger, comprised of criminals, the criminally insane and volunteers from Nazi-occupied Europe, and developed a reputation for rape, torture and murder, vicious even by the Nazi's bloody standards.
    The three, who live in Germany, were found after the Austrian Red Cross gave a Polish museum a card index containing the names and address of those who served in the unit.

    Investigators claim to have tracked them down, but the ex-soldiers refused to speak on the phone about the war.

    Boguslaw Czerwinski, a prosecutor with the IPN, said that they had now asked for German assistance in bringing the three men to justice and were awaiting a reply.

    "It's too early to say where the case will be prosecuted because none of the ex-soldiers questioned by the German authorities have yet to face charges," Mr Czerwinski added.

    But Poland would be eager to bring to justice anybody linked to one of the saddest and bloodiest chapters of the nation's history.

    At the start of the uprising in August 1944 the Dirlewanger Brigade joined German units engaged in bitter fighting against Polish forces seeking to regain control of their country's capital.

    In the first few days the month, and in an effort to break the will of the resistance, it played a key role in the indiscriminate slaughter of thousands of Polish civilians. British historian Norman Davies estimates that on just August 5 alone some 35,000 men, women and children were killed in cold blood.

    Given a free rein by SS commander-in-chief Heinrich Himmler, Dirlewanger's men also participated in gang rape, torture and the practice of bayoneting babies as a way of striking terror into Poles.

    Such was the level of violence that one SS man from another unit described the brigade as "more a group of pigs than soldiers" while General Heinz Guderian wrote in his memoirs that on hearing the "hair-raising news" from Warsaw he asked Hitler to post the Dirlewanger Brigade to the Eastern Front.

    Himmler also ordered German police units to stand by in case the brigade, which was at times out of control, turned on regular forces.

    Earlier in the war an SS judge and investigator had taken the remarkable step of attempting to prosecute Dirlewanger for war crimes owing to atrocities committed by his brigade while fighting Soviet partisans.

    #2
    thanks for the post very interesting and sad i found this link after reading your post

    http://www.warsawuprising.com/witness/schenk.htm

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      #3
      Great, just what the world needs, another pointless witch hunt.

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        #4
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        Originally posted by VtwinVince View Post
        Great, just what the world needs, another pointless witch hunt.
        “There is also that small child in Dirlewanger’s hands. He took it from a woman who was standing in the crowd in the street. He lifted the child high and then threw it into the fire. Then he shot the mother."

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          #5
          Originally posted by VtwinVince View Post
          Great, just what the world needs, another pointless witch hunt.
          Dont think I agree with you on this.

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            #6
            Even if they are brought before court the case will never fly. After so many years witnesses will be scarce and they can't hold 3 persons acountable for all the things that happened. Also, it will be difficult to prove what duty they had in that Brigade. I'm not saying that what was done is OK but after all those years it looks indeed a little pointless.

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              #7
              I think anyone in this unit is deserving so much more then any others of being hunted down and brought to justice. ON the German Side of things anyway.

              W.

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                #8
                I think Oscar "got his" according to Polish standards. Polish troops/police immediately took him and strung him up. Unlucky for him, they had the wrong length of rope and had to re-try several times...

                As for the division. Well it was ruthless and most of the bands were not even really soldiers. When faced with a problem of un-uniformed enemy troops that don't fight conventially, this was the German's response of unconventional warfare. Sick yes.

                They were just unleashed to destroy the hidden enemy. They had plenty of practice in the Balkan region before Warsaw.

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                  #9
                  Too old to prosecute?

                  That argument is crap, just because someone is old and feeble doesnt change who they are. Inside you are the same person. I know Im 53 and I havent changed actually Im worse. I wont elaborate on that point but hey hes old and wears a nappy lets give him a break doesn't cut it with me. By that logic in 10 years Osama will be off the hook, Justice delayed is just that justice delayed.
                  cheers Robert

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by VtwinVince View Post
                    Great, just what the world needs, another pointless witch hunt.

                    With such replies you show me why you are one of my favorite goose stepping WAF members.

                    How some guys are still going on without any braintissue at all is just a big mystery...............or a medical wonder.

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                      Originally posted by Eric-Jan Bakker View Post
                      With such replies you show me why you are one of my favorite goose stepping WAF members.

                      How some guys are still going on without any braintissue at all is just a big mystery...............or a medical wonder.

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                        #12
                        Oy Vey

                        Look, not all SS men were good honorable Christians with clear eyes defending Western Civilization from the godless Bolshevik menace.

                        If I had a dollar for all the guys at militaria and gun shows who think this way.

                        Oy Vey

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                          #13
                          If specific individuals can be tied to specific war crimes, fry em.
                          Kinda hard to do after 65 years.
                          Atrocities were no doubt comitted in Poland by German troops, but these "babies on bayonet" stories, I suspect, and more often than not sensationalist propaganda, in the same vein as skin lampshades and human body fat soap.

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                            Originally posted by Michael Fay View Post
                            Look, not all SS men were good honorable Christians with clear eyes defending Western Civilization from the godless Bolshevik menace.

                            If I had a dollar for all the guys at militaria and gun shows who think this way.

                            Oy Vey

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                              #15
                              sad

                              Originally posted by Xray View Post
                              If specific individuals can be tied to specific war crimes, fry em.
                              Kinda hard to do after 65 years.
                              Atrocities were no doubt comitted in Poland by German troops, but these "babies on bayonet" stories, I suspect, and more often than not sensationalist propaganda, in the same vein as skin lampshades and human body fat soap.
                              If you were to bother to open the link provided earlier on in this thread you could read it for yourself and see where the info came from (german soldier and a witness).
                              Far from sensationalist propaganda.
                              Have a nice evening

                              Matt

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