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    #16
    I think that it is much more outrageous to collect rare/expensive items just to be viewed or considered as a "big collector" or an "expert". This kind of people - and there are many in our hobby - just doesn't care about history or what that particular item means. Just want to make sensation and be blandished by a bunch of "yes-man".

    THIS really upset me.

    Douglas

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      #17
      Originally posted by Douglas Jr. View Post
      I think that it is much more outrageous to collect rare/expensive items just to be viewed or considered as a "big collector" or an "expert". This kind of people - and there are many in our hobby - just doesn't care about history or what that particular item means. Just want to make sensation and be blandished by a bunch of "yes-man".

      THIS really upset me.

      Douglas
      Amen brother!!

      -Ski

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        #18
        Ferdinand may indeed have emotional attachment to the subject, but the logic of his premise is laughable.....Dion responded with perfection in one sentence, and Don with perfect logic and truthfulness, .but just on a surface level, I say this.....

        One of the areas I collect with passion, is items associated with the Apollo space program and subsequent moon landings. Now, because I haven't been to the Moon, and because I'm not likely to GO there anytime soon, should I consider my acquisition of these items an uninformed waste of time? (My response to the deluded morons who will claim that we've never been there, anyway, is.....get a life!....)

        These unique items, when held in my hands, offer a great deal of "history" to me....They speak volumes on where they've been and what they've seen. I'll agree that standing on the spots where events occurred, adds another dimension to the things we collect, but sometimes it's simply not possible, and I don't think that our items or the historical knowledge that we DO possess, are diminished in any way by that fact. I think it's insulting to say that it IS.

        Bob.
        I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous.....

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          #19
          just becuase someone hasnt been to a site from witch there item might have been doesnt make them appreciate the history any less! its actully great that they do DO know what happened in say anzio(ask most people in there 20s and 30s what happened in anzio and i bet most poeple wouldnt have a clue where it is let alone what happned there!!) alot of people may not have thw time to take a week or 2 to go to europe and that 5k lid might have takin them 1 year or 2 to save up for!!!

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            #20
            Originally posted by münster View Post
            I think the Americans that are planted in the ground in Europe will make up for the collectors not showing up.
            Amen, Dion. I have walked (and slept on) many battlefields in the States and Europe, but the most sobering place I have stood is the Normandy American Cemetery.
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              #21
              "I am always wondering about collectors accumulating rare and expensive items without having seen the "real" battlegrounds" of Europe. It is not reasonable to buy a Fallschirmjäjer Helmet for $ 5.000 from Anzio without having visited Anzio."

              IT is not resonable??? That is your own biased and unresonable opinion. Good for you, nobody cares about what you dictate as being resonable or not...
              You can find out 100 times more about a battlefield by reading a book about the topic, then by visiting the area, where not much is usualy visible.

              JL

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                #22
                Originally posted by Douglas Jr. View Post
                I think that it is much more outrageous to collect rare/expensive items just to be viewed or considered as a "big collector" or an "expert". This kind of people - and there are many in our hobby - just doesn't care about history or what that particular item means. Just want to make sensation and be blandished by a bunch of "yes-man".

                THIS really upset me.

                Douglas
                I think the type you are talking about are the guys who one day say that SS items are too expensive now so I am dumping my collection and focusing on some other area. When I could no longer afford items I simply stopped collecting but still enjoy what I have.

                W.

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                  #23
                  Just an observation I think the poster is talking about guys who have the money but have never been. If you can buy a german paratroop helmet every week but have not been to see the battlefields I think it' a good question of why too.

                  At the very least, because English is not the poster's first language he should get cut some slack.

                  W.

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                    #24
                    I know this post has deeply affect many and have them questioning the future of their collecting artifacts from places they have never traveled to.
                    I m willing to take one for the team. You can donate you entire collection to me.
                    Just PM me and I will send you my postal address so you can ease your conscious and the stress this topic has caused many collectors.
                    I will of course help with shipping your items to me.
                    Let the healing begin

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                      #25
                      Many collectors know about catches, maker marks, value, and nothing about the time period or history they collect. Many won't even buy a book unless it is 500 photos of their badge from every angle. Knowing the history is far less important to collectors (on average) than it was in the 70s or even 80s.

                      Those who visit the battlefields, write with vets, go to museums, etc are of the historical hobby mostly, and they generally do not collect militaria. It's a whole different group. But if collectors read beyond books on whatever badge, hat, etc they collected, a lot of collections would contain a lot less junk.

                      My best history visit (carring a folder of period photos to compare) was Munich and all the various period buildings and historical spots. Three Waffen-SS KC holders were my guides. I was amazed how much was still there mostly unchanged.

                      I also enjoyed the old RAF airfields and the remnants of the USAAF areas in the UK. Our British allies also have some of the most beautiful and immaculate WWII aerial museums along with being (to me) the most incredibly polite people all the time and everywhere

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                        #26
                        I also enjoyed the old RAF airfields and the remnants of the USAAF areas in the UK. Our British allies also have some of the most beautiful and immaculate WWII aerial museums along with being (to me) the most incredibly polite people all the time and everywhere [/quote]
                        always nice to hear a good report from someone outside the uk.yes there is loads of stories in the press but on the whole we are a polite welcoming nation

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                          #27
                          Too me it's much more important to find the many missing links concerning certain items , ... than running around in the woods, to be honest..

                          Jos.

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                            #28
                            To learn und undertand history you have to set foot on the fields history was made! I sold a lot of my collection and really focus to visit those sites. Now I am preparing the visit to the Vosges mountains where one of the 10 most severe battles of teh US Army was fought. It's also the history of the 442nd Regimental Combat Team who rescued the men of the 141st Almo Rgt of the 36th Div, known as the Lost Batallion.

                            However, I also love to have items of that time but to stand where they fought is a experience I cant describe in words.

                            Happy collecting

                            Jürg
                            Last edited by Jürg; 03-10-2009, 03:21 AM.
                            Strength and Honour
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                              #29
                              I have been at battlefields in Russia (St. Petersburg area) and it gives a very strong feeling. I can recommend travels to Russia and will definetly go back there.

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                                #30
                                The fact that a lot of people rather discuss the way a (for example) Nordland cufftitle was manufactured than the divisions actions during the war was one of the things that pretty much got me out of collecting. Im intressted in the combat history of the war, not the manufacturing technics of collartabs/cufftitles/eagles/helmets/Hitlers underpants/whatever. That, and being ripped off :P

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