Dachau inmate uniform, and the story of "the train of death", 7909

[Jean-Loup]

Hi Gaspare, you should get a photo of your set how it is in Washington, and post it on this thread. Congradulations on the good work of colaborating with the museum, and getting your items shown to the public.
Besslein, that is an interesting tunic, I am sure many like it have been "restaured" back into SS tunics....

JL

[kammo man]

J-L
Thanks you for showing these uniforms and for giving us an education on them and the people who were forced into wearing them .
owen

[Jean-Loup]

Hi guys.

I am not sure this information is really relevant now; but I did send a request to the Dachau museum association, asking them for info with the number, and this is their reply, which confirms exactly everything I was told about the uniform and its owner, Clement (I am taking out all names so as not to end up in the New York times like Marc G.):



Stiftung Bayerische Gedenkstätten<O></O>
KZ - Gedenkstätte Dachau<O></O>
KZ-Gedenkstätte Dachau, Alte Römerstr. 75, 85221 Dachau<O</O
Mr.Jean-Loup G.........
- <O</O
Dachau, 08.04.2010<O</O
Your enquiry 16.03.2010<O</O
Dear Mr. G.....
we have examinated the name-lists and the prisoner-numberbooks and we can confirm that the <O</O
person which you mentioned below had been imprisoned in the Dachau concentration camp or <O</O
in its subcamps. <O</O
The length of the imprisonment and further information you will find on an extra sheet of paper. <O</O
<O</O

We are sorry to inform you that there are no other documents because they had been destroyed<O</O
by the SS short before the liberation. <O</O
For your further requests we give you all the information willingly.<O</O
Kindly regards<O</O
<O></O>
<O></O>
<O></O>
Explanation of German Categories of imprisonment:<O</O
Schutzhäftling = Protective Custody Prisoners<O</O
Jude = Jewish Prisoner<O</O
Sicherungsverwahrung = Preventive Custody Prisoners<O</O
Arbeitszwang = "Asocial" Prisoners<O</O
Zigeuner = Gypsies / Sinti and Roma<O</O
Albert K.......
Postanschrift:<O></O>
KZ-Gedenkstätte Dachaue-mail: info@kz-gedenkstaette-dachau.de<O></O>
85221 Dachau, Alte Römerstr. 75Internet: www.kz-gedenkstaette-dachau.de<O></O>
<O></O>
Tel.: 08131/66 99 7 - 0<O></O>
Fax 08131/22 35<O></O>


Stiftung Bayerische Gedenkstätten<O></O>
KZ - Gedenkstätte Dachau<O></O>


CLEMENT ...................... - 20.5.1904 - Nice<O</O
Last known address: Cambron (Draguignan)<O</O
Profession: Bergmann (mineur)<O</O
Category:Schutzhäftling<O</O
Nationality:Frankreich
<O</O
DatePrisoner-No occurrence Place of occurrence<O</O
5.7.1944 76615Zugang (transported from)Paris<O</O
DatePrisoner-No occurrence Place of occurrence<O</O
22.7.1944 überführt (transported to)Natzweiler<O</O
DatePrisoner-No occurrence Place of occurrence<O</O
31.3.1945 rückgeführt (retransported from)Natzweiler<O</O
DatePrisoner-No occurrence Place of occurrence<O</O
21.4.1945 überstellt (transported to subcamp)<O</O
München, Riem<O</O
DatePrisoner-No occurrence Place of occurrence<O></O>
29.4.1945 befreit (liberated in subcamp)<O></O>
München, Riem<O></O>

[NickG]

For comparison, here some camp uniforms from the Wewelsburg castle exhibit, described as follows:
Original prison dress with the purple triangle that marked Jehova's Witnesses incarcerated in Niederhagen concentration camp, which was purpose-built to accommodate the forced laborers needed to convert the castle into a playground for the SS leadership. Located just a kilometer from the castle, the camp housed 3,900 political prisoners: Jews, Jehova's Witnesses and prisoners of war, of whom at least 1,285 died of hunger, disease, cold and maltreatment.

[tubist73]

Thanks to all, and particularly Jean-Loup, for taking the time to present such interesting and important information.

I have learned a great deal reading this thread and, surely, that's what this forum is all about.

Matthew

[Rakkasan187]

Amazing items,

Thank you for sharing, but more important, preserving this history..

Leigh..

[pogo94]

Hi kamerad, i am new on this forum and i wanted to know where is the information that you are talking about?

Thanks for the answers

[pogo94]

Oh finally, it's okay, i found them at the end, thanks for all these informations

[checkit]

The cut of this hat looks very similar to the one in post #31. This appears to be a Russian prisoner who survived with his health intact.

[m1steelpot]

The cut of this hat looks very similar to the one in post #31. This appears to be a Russian prisoner who survived with his health intact.

Wearing what appears to be a US wool service shirt, '42-on pattern.

[Jean-Loup]

Here is an other counter example for those who think that nobody would have kept something as despicable, filthy and depressing as a KL uniform:


A Torn Remnant of the Holocaust Hangs in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">Brooklyn Court</st1:address></st1:Street> <O></O>


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During Holocaust Remembrance Day, a solemn piece of history was displayed in a courtroom at <st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">360 Adams St</st1:address></st1:Street>. A pinstriped uniform, torn and stained with dirt (and likely blood) sits framed and motionless, as if frozen in time.

It has been nearly 65 years since the blue-and-gray uniform was worn. But for over half a decade, it was worn every day by Hon. David Schmidt’s father, who lived in concentration camps as a teenager during the Holocaust.

“The reason I hold this ceremony every year on Yom Shoah [Holocaust Remembrance Day] is to make it clear what happens when people are prejudiced,” said Schmidt, a Kings County Supreme Court Justice. “It gives us new reasons to do justice and treat everyone equally.”

Though the framed uniform he keeps on the wall of his chambers is a grim reminder of the murder and genocide that happened all too recently, it is also an inspiring relic of survival and triumph.

“To me, the most important thing is to learn from it. Prejudice leads to death and dying. We need to stay away from it. If it’s seen anywhere, the world has to stop it,” Justice Schmidt explained, his voice filled with emotion.

Hon. Schmidt was hearing a housing proceeding in his courtroom Tuesday afternoon when he took a brief recess to discuss the Holocaust.

“I’m sorry to interrupt, but I think it’s important for people to know,” he said.

Last year, Schmidt spoke at a larger Holocaust Remembrance Day ceremony, but this year, he brought out the airtight glass case containing the uniform in the morning before the people of his courtroom.

“He kept it after the war and gave it to me,” Hon. Schmidt said. “I’ve had it here for 15 years.”

Schmidt’s father was 13 years old when the Nazis invaded.

“They rounded up the people in my father’s town,” Hon. Schmidt said. “They put them in the shul [synagogue]. They burned the shul. Everyone who jumped out of the windows was shot. The rest ended up in concentration camps.”

Judge Schmidt’s father, Chaim, was shaved and stripped by the Nazis and sent to a concentration camp in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><ST1lace w:st="on">Poland</ST1lace></st1:country-region>. The prison uniform was the only thing his father possessed for the next six years. It was what he was wearing for seven days on a train with no food or water, as he and hundreds of other Jews were transported to a death camp in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><ST1lace w:st="on">Germany</ST1lace></st1:country-region>. When they arrived, his father was the lone survivor in the cattle car.<O></O>

[shifta80]

Thats what I call a masterpiece.

[Kevin L.]

Outstanding. Can't wait to see the display in D.C.

[Gaspare]

My grouping,,A Dachau camp jacket and matching pants along with the mans original Gestopo arrest document [red], original direct postwar documentation, photos of the man wearing the exact set at time of liberation, photos of him at postwar reunions, down to the last,,his gravestone with "I survived Dachau" at bottom , and more!..

I brought all this to D.C. beginning in Oct. They gave me a
tentative contract.. I also gave other items they wanted to research / check. It is a 3 year loan..

Well, just 2 months ago I got FedEx,, the final contract! All this time and kind of a waste.. They have exactly 2 years to do what they're going to do [supposedly a big display] and contracts over. Not sure I'll renew...

[rexmundi]

Here a surviver is seen wearing what looks like an original hat with self added number and resistance badge.

http://newshopper.sulekha.com/evrard...to_1262179.htm