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    #1

    Attn: U.S. Vets

    Sometimes words just can't describe how disgusted a person feels. This is one of those times. If you want to see a major general crying, with good reason, click on the link. Maybe some of you folks arount St. Louis know more about this.



    http://www.ksdk.com/video/default.as...3&bw=hi&cat=70
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    #2
    Very moving article

    That is quite shocking to hear about. I am glad to hear something is being done about it.

    Thanks for posting this.

    Cheers, Ade.

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      #3
      This just blows me away, Adrian. The only thing that comes to mind that's even close to being this revolting, is when the Russians gathered up all of the bones of the Germans killed at Stalingrad, and tossed them into a warehouse, to be forgotten until the 1990's. As deplorable as that was, a person can at least understand the Russian's animosity towards the Germans. But this is just over the top.

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        #4
        Yes, for any Nation to treat it's own former servicemen like this is a disgrace. Truely shocking.

        Cheers, Ade.

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          #5
          Remains

          Greetings All,

          I am sure that it is not just veterans remains that are setting on those shelves! They are unclaimed remains! It is a bad situation but it happens.At least the funeral home didn't put them in the dustbin or just throw them out.

          Hopefully the Patriot Guard and the other entities involved will help solve the problem.But what about the other unclaimed remains? Don't they deserve a proper burial also? They might not have served but maybe made the planes that these guys flew! It is a bad situation all the way around.

          Fred Green

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            #6
            Thank you for spreading the word. I, and all the vets I know, had no idea this was a common practice.

            Jeff Mack
            U.S. Army Veteran

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              #7
              While sad...where are the families? They knew who they were yet they didn't pick them up. Or they didn't know that they died. Many times these vets didn't let it be done about their military record. When it comes time to bury them, the family lets the VA take care of it cause they don't give a hoot about them. The VA holds onto to them till the family claims them. It isn't the govt...it's the families that has the shame. These guys didn't die in battle, they died years after the war.
              As far as the MOANG MG crying...well, these ceremonies are emotional...could he be crying cause the only family that shows up are the former vets!!!
              Ask your family about Uncle so and so...where is he....???

              Combat Vet...and Army Chaplain so I've seen too many families ditch their vet...(and a few vets who ditched their families).

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                #8
                Originally posted by Chap15 View Post
                Ask your family about Uncle so and so...where is he....???

                Combat Vet...and Army Chaplain so I've seen too many families ditch their vet...(and a few vets who ditched their families).
                Your point is taken. About ten years ago, a cousin and I got involved in a family history project. Numerous skeletons fell out of the woodwork, including several convicted felons and a great-uncle who was MIA in France, in 1918, and who no one had a clue about for years.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Nicholas Link View Post
                  Your point is taken. About ten years ago, a cousin and I got involved in a family history project. Numerous skeletons fell out of the woodwork, including several convicted felons and a great-uncle who was MIA in France, in 1918, and who no one had a clue about for years.
                  Please, I hope that no disrespect is meant for the vets and their service.

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                    #10
                    Hello
                    Living in ST LOUIS , yes I have seen this report . You should know also that , none of these Vet had relative to take care of their mortal remains . It is not just in ST LOUIS apparently , but all across the USA !!! .
                    Nice way to be remembered after serving for your country !!!
                    Regards
                    P-Y

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Chap15 View Post
                      Please, I hope that no disrespect is meant for the vets and their service.
                      None taken. I only meant to bring attention to the fact that, in some families, some of the so-called "black sheep" are conviently swept under the rug. Why, in the case of my family, an MIA should remain unknown for 80 years is way beyond me. One would think that someone would have mentioned "poor ol' Frank", but not a word came up.

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                        #12
                        The term Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome has been used since the Viet-Nam era but there have been combat veterans from other wars that have suffered from some serious mental problems. In WW1 it was called "shell shock" and WW2 it was "combat fatigue" but it was basically the same thing, an inability to recover from the stress of combat.
                        Growing up in the 50s, I can recall some local men that were either chronic alcoholics or just plain weird and their behavior was somewhat overlooked because of their military service. Today much more attention is paid to these afflicted with this condition.
                        Audie Murphy had a bedroom in his garage because his screaming at night kept his family up. Some were worse off and turned to a violent or criminal lifestyle, some became hermits and abandoned their families, some committed suicide, while some others just struggled to cope.
                        I would imagine that several of these veterans that are unclaimed were unclaimed simply because they had broken off all ties with their families and no one knew that they had died. Of course this isn't going to be the only reason. With 2,500 unidentified dead buried by Los Angeles County every year, there are probably about that many reasons why these people became unknown.
                        I attended a memorial service in Galveston Texas in the 1990s for a New Hampshire Medal of Honor holder that had died about 100 years before. He had been buried in a paupers grave until a history student doing research was able to discover where he was buried. His death certificate showed that he died of liver ailment and it was suspected that alcohol abuse may have contributed to his demise. This is just another example of a combat veteran moving away from his family contacts and dying relatively unknown.
                        Denny

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                          #13
                          According to the Veteran's Administration, almost 2000 World War II veterans are dying each day. The problem of unclaimed or abandoned cremated remains, as has been mentioned, is not going to go away nor is it going to get better.

                          Beginning in 1994, I was appointed to two terms on the state mortuary service regulatory board by the Governor of the State of Washington and was elected chairman for seven of the ten years I served on the board. During that time we frequently dealt with the problem faced by mortuaries and cemeteries as to how to care for the ever increasing number of unclaimed cremated remains of veterans and non-veterans alike.

                          It is predicted that cremation (as opposed to full body burial) will eventually become the predominant method of disposition of our dead in this country. As our society increases in population, becomes even more mobile and less concerned with the memorial traditions of the past, we are going to see the problem of neglect of human remains continue to grow ~ as will the news programs that precipitated this thread!

                          Regards,

                          Ed

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