A Messerschmitt Bf-109E under the water!

[Fritz]

Any information of what has subsequently happened to the HE-111?

I believe a german museum has bought it or paid for the recovery, if I am not mistaken there was a 45 minute TV report on german TV about that maybe 3 or 4 years ago. Was quite interesting.

Nice thread...

Cheers

Fritz

[jotuntroll]

Yes, it is going to Germany as feared.
It shows that norwegian museums dont care of uniqe findings and at the same time forbid others to take souvenires. I have lost all respect for them a long time ago...

[JägerMartin]

Yes, it is going to Germany as feared.
It shows that museums dont care of uniqe findings and at the same time forbid others to take souvenires. I have lost all respect for them a long time ago...

???
Perfect place for 109

[Theodor]

it's the 111 going to Germany, the 109 is for sale, still on a foggy island inhabited with football hooligans

as for the 111, I am sure that it was raised, cleaned, repainted and then again dropped in the lake - and then again taken out and shown to the public this time. As the clever part of the forum members know, items can not be preserved well in a sealed airtight metal box, if the box is burried in the ground. It must be the same with paint - no way to survive 60 years in water. And same with the Qumran parchments - whom are they fooling, fragile parchments left 1900 years in a cave and still readable, no way!

[Juliusheide]

hi, i live 5 kilometers from that lake where the HE 111 was found.
They landed there in april 1940. It was april and spring so the ice began to melt and the plane started to sink. They tryed to pull it up but didnt make it. So the ribbed it of vital parts and just let i sink. There was nothing the could do.
The recovery team also recovered a junker 88 at the same site in same condition.
The heinkels pilot, 96 years old Arthur von Casmir followed the operation.


I was there myself several times !








I got ****loads of pics so if wanted, i could make a thread about it

Peder

[Adrian Stevenson]

Hi Peder. Thanks you!

I am sure the forum members would love to see your pics.

Cheers, Ade.

[jotuntroll]

Norwegian defence museum has on several ocations shown no interest in big rare treasures like complete plains, tanks, halftracks and artillerys wich has been shipt abroad without having one for display.
Today there are little left to find.
It is a fact that it has been theft and korruption by employes and that they have changed som people in the system to end this.
We are talking of huge sums and rare items...

[Bodchris]

Norwegian defence museum has on several ocations shown no interest in big rare treasures like complete plains, tanks, halftracks and artillerys wich has been shipt abroad without having one for display.
Today there are little left to find.
It is a fact that it has been theft and korruption by employes and that they have changed som people in the system to end this.
We are talking of huge sums and rare items...

You can't just make claims like this without backing them up with evidence. For instance, what specific 'plains' (planes) have been shipped abroad?

Chris

[Ralph P]

I have bumped this thread back to the top in hopes of seeing more pictures from Peder...

Very interesting and educational thread so far.

[Simon O.]

Hang on a minute, wasn't the recovery mostly or partly funded by the Germans with the deal being that the Ju88 stayed in Norway and the He111 went home to Germany?

I watched the documentary about it, fascinating to see the aircraft's pilot reunited with his plane after all these years.


BTW, it was due to the complete inaction of the Norwegian defence museum (or allegedly some of the internal problems as hinted to by Jotuntroll) that resulted in the small local museum up here saying 'screw it' and recovering the three Pz.III ausf.N off their own backs last year without waiting another year for the people down south to make a decision.

[SurvivingPanzer]

Norwegian defence museum has on several ocations shown no interest in big rare treasures like complete plains, tanks, halftracks and artillerys wich has been shipt abroad without having one for display.
Today there are little left to find.
It is a fact that it has been theft and korruption by employes and that they have changed som people in the system to end this.
We are talking of huge sums and rare items...

It is the fault of the Norwegian government that these items are not preserved in Norway. It is sad to realize that even Germany takes more pride in the history (given the stigma of the last few decades).