The looting of war graves is illegal. These people need to be prosecuted.
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To quote a Visigoth Warrior king,
"woe to the vanquished".
WilhelmComment
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How deep is that wreck? The post-card shot is probably photoshop as that kind of vis is unheard of off the East coast. NEat, thanks for posting.
-EricComment
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Gun Bunny,
Good point on the caliber: it is larger than .50 inch so, yes it would be a DD. However, these guns were fully automatic, so it is also a machinegun.
Pretty impressive stuff: fully automatic 20mm cannonComment
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Nice photos of it under water but I agree NOTHING should be removed from it. It be like diving on the Arizona and taking stuff from her. As it is they won't even let them drain the oil from her tanks...
JoeComment
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Happens all the time. I think you should try an access the sub, but Very dangerous though, youd most likely not get out alive. Appears to be between 3 and 400 ft' long. What was the cause of sinking? Check this out:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvH147G4iF0
Found the answer to my own question:U-352
Type VIIC
Ordered 9 Oct, 1939
Laid down 11 Mar, 1940 Flensburger Schiffsbau-Ges, Flensburg (werk 471)
Launched 7 May, 1941
Commissioned 28 Aug, 1941 Kptlt. Hellmut Rathke
Commanders 28 Aug, 1941 - 9 May, 1942 Hellmut Rathke
Career 3 patrols 28 Aug, 1941 - 1 Jan, 1942 3. Flottille (training)
1 Jan, 1942 - 9 May, 1942 3. Flottille (front boat)
Successes No ships sunk or damaged
Fate Sunk 9 May, 1942 in the North Atlantic south-west of Cape Hatteras, USA, in position 34.21N, 76.35W, by depth charges from the US Coast Guard cutter USS Icarus. 15 dead and 33 survivors.Last edited by juoneen; 04-09-2009, 11:57 PM.Comment
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u boot
well said prussian guard
i cannot see how divers can rob a war grave.
shame on them.
daveComment
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Money ...someday they will say : for sale salvaged mG's off the U 352. They salvaged the eagle off the front of the graff spee last year...wanted 12.5 mill, dont know if they sold it. Also i think they took the crests also." MONEY'S the root of all evil....do funny thing...some pee...pooole..give me a nickle brother can you spare me a dime. money will drive some people out of their mi...II...II..nnnddd."(ojays early 70's). Its not rocket science. Why do they deface gettysburg...a souvenier. I swam out to a half sunken destroyer in 71 off of ensenada, and almost got sucked under the ship by the current, after pulling myself up on the greasy oily deck , i slipped , cut open my derrier on a piece of sharp rusty metal, and found the ships flag box full of mexican flags , and stole a admirals flag, and was barely able to get back to shore with the stupid thing. Its a cross between money, and souvenier hunting,(for free) and intertwined with much stupidity, laced with bad judgement . I agree, but they take grave markers right out of american graveyards, to hold flags on, and then sell them on e bay, and antique shops. Wouldnt happen in a perfect world...but it aint a perfect world. I knew a guy once that used to rob civil war confederate graves exclusively till he was haunted by a ghost, as a hobby, another in az. that robbed indian graves....why they do it ...I think it is because they like to do that kind of stuff. I wouldnt , but many here would, we just dont know who they are, they wouldnt risk getting reamed out publically, but ill bet many here have done such shenanigans in their younger lives, or know people who have done so. .Comment
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By all rights, this boat and everything on it is the property of the German government.
Of course I imagine it can be difficult to intervene before something is taken from a war grave at sea, but they have defacto rights to anything brought to the surface.
Anyone read "Shadow Divers" ?
About the guys who found what finally proved to be U-869, about 60 miles off Jersey.
Very deep, 200 ft +, and at least 3 guys died diving her, including a father/son team.
Very good book, well worth the read - A film is due out this year on their adventures.
http://www.robertkurson.com/book.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_submarine_U-869Comment
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what is max dive depth? 250 meters or feet?Comment
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Anything below fifty meters is getting iffy, and into mixed-gas or rebreather territory.Comment
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From what I understand, 200 [ft] is considered deep, and many experienced divers even shy away from that mark.
Not sure what the actual record is for scuba diving, the wreck of U-869 I referred to in post #25 was [is] at 240 ft, and claimed at least 3 divers lives.
The wreck of the Andrea Doria is a common target for experienced deep sea adventurers, not sure how many lives it has claimed, certainly a dozen at least.
The shallowest portion is about 160 ft, as the wreck is angled down people can and do go much deeper, the record dive there is 220 ft.
I sure as hell ain't gonna be the one to break it.Comment
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Maximum depth for recreational divers using air tanks is 150 feet. Even then, your bottom time would be nil and you would likely have to perform decompression stops on your way out.When you go home
Tell them for us and say
For your tomorrow
We gave our today
--Inscription in the 5th Marine Division cemetery,
Iwo Jima 1945Comment
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You would most certainly have to decompress from 150.Originally posted by WalterB View Post
Not sure your statement is technically accurate. I doubt if many "recreational" divers would go that far, but theres nothing to stop them from going 200 + if they wanted to, bottom time would be about 15 minutes under optimal conditions.
It appears that the maximum depth reached by scuba divers is 1,000 ft plus, but these ultra deep record dives are just that, dives with the intention of setting a record - They spend 12 minutes or so descending, and 6 hrs on the way back up, decompressing.
Attempts like this take considerable preparation, and is a team effort, as fresh air tanks have to be relayed to the diver by a team of divers, whom themselves have to decompress on the way back up.
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