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    #1

    insignia in frame

    Ok guys, I need the low down on this.

    I heard of Ryker mounts, but not realy sure what they are still.

    My aim in this thread is to start framing up my KM cloth per career etc, including in the frame some shoulderboards, cap tallies and photos.

    Where and what would be a good place to start ?

    What kind of frame is best, what backing paper, how can I pin them in the frame without using needles or pins etc ?

    Any advice would be appreciated.

    Thank you

    KM-NZ
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    #2
    Check out the pined section for this thread
    http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=270189

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      #3
      I suggest some nice wooden frame. Professional framemaker can help, but it'll cost something.

      Riker frames are good, but look a kind of a "cheepo" to me, honestly.

      Ride throught this great theme, Jacques has done it just as I like:
      http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=143404

      I suggest using wooden frames, archival paper behind the insignia and just "squeeze" the insignia and shoulderboards betweeh the glass and the backside.

      Of course, you should make it "gently squeeze" in order not to break the glass (insignia, and especially shoulderboards) have their thisckness, do not forget), but also not to press the insignia and break some threads over time (which can happen if you use really stiff back and thick glass, which allows you to press it even further.

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        #4
        Not all wood frames are created equal as far as them being archival safe. Many frame manufactures select poor, or cheap wood in building there frames out of. Many use cheap stains and paint sealants which in time break down and produce out gassing dangerous fumes.

        The link of the framed items (tunic) may look nice, but from a conservation point of view. I would never frame any uniform, cloth, leather, artifact. Whether it was pinned down, sewn to a board stapled, or pressure by glass. There is a huge host of problems coming to the tunics in the near future. Tearing of fabric from the weight of the fabric itself, stress to the seams, light fading the tunic, moisture inside the framed area is just a few problems. Not to mention the possible out gassing from the frame itself.

        If that’s your way of displaying your items that great. These are your items to do with as you see fit. As far as good choice to conserve your items that method is not really a good choice for the long term storage of any historical artifact display.

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          #5
          When building the frames myself, I am using only natural wood, and the front frame is natural inside, no colour or any treatment.

          Hanging the tunics on a thick-padded hanger (round, 2-3 inch diameter PE tube) is usually enough to prevent damage over time from tunic weight, and some desiccant is preventing the moisture inside.
          Of course, keeping the temp/moisture inside the room is a must (I live in very nice area for that).

          Btw., the link is not showing my collection, but JacquesQ's

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            #6
            Originally posted by amiklic1 View Post
            When building the frames myself, I am using only natural wood, and the front frame is natural inside, no colour or any treatment.

            Hanging the tunics on a thick-padded hanger (round, 2-3 inch diameter PE tube) is usually enough to prevent damage over time from tunic weight, and some desiccant is preventing the moisture inside.
            Of course, keeping the temp/moisture inside the room is a must (I live in very nice area for that).

            Btw., the link is not showing my collection, but JacquesQ's
            Keep in mind that some woods such as Pine, Black Walnet, Hickory, Oaks. Have tannic acids in the wood and can ooze out. It would be better to double seal them in a hard polyurethane. You may want to conduct a WAF site sreach for further readings and discussions

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              #7
              In the woods I'm home, my friend...

              Many wood types have some kind of acids in them, but fortunately most of them are easy recognizable by the "wood smell". Yes, that primitive method works great, and was used for centuries in picture framing.

              In fact, letting the wood to "work out" and dry out is usually enough.
              I have a study somewhere, showing how agressive the woods are over time, and it, in fact, drops to 10% in just as two weeks of natural drying.

              Don't forget that some of the most valuable art pieces were kept on a wooden frames, centuries before "modern, super-archival safe etc. etc" material came to Earth...

              I'm not against serious archival keeping, but many times what we see is just a commercials, not the facts. And that is about the money, not about collecting ;-)...

              I have just measured, and my white summer tunic weights 700 grams. It's supported by two PE tubes on a hanger, each 15cm long, and the top supporting width (on which the tunic lays) is 4cm wide.

              that brings us to 30cm * 4cm area, or 120 sqcm.

              700gr / 120sqcm = 6gr/sqcm of pressure

              I've spoke recently with one "museum-expert", and he also said that it could harm the tunic because of it's own weight putting too much pressure over the shoulder-are fabric, but when we calculated he wasn't that sure about it ;-)...

              You can't trick math, indeed.

              I'm rotatitng my tunics, getting them out and letting to "rest" flat sometimes, checking for moth etc., but not because of weight, because of usual care I want to perform...


              Do not want to argue with anyone and I consider all advices as a best wishes of all our colleagues here on WAF. The knowledge gathered here is so valuable that it cannot be expressed by words, but behind usual today's understanding, there are always small secrets of all crafts which keep the life much simpler... Of course, it's easier to follow modern commercials that to learn any craftwork, so one has to choose which way to go.

              At the end, the only thing important is to keep these nice items in a good shape for the future.

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                #8
                thanks for the good tips and advice guys !

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