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    #1

    SA Rust

    Hi everyone,

    I will be receiving an SA dagger in a few days from the e stand. The dagger is in "nice" or "+nice" condition overall. The scabbard is very good (my favorite part), and the handle has only 2 minor flakes. The blade has nice crossgrain, and has not been sharpened or buffed to my or the sellers knowledge. The part I need help with is a spot of rust on the motto.

    I would like your suggestions on what to do here, if anything needs doing. I will be displaying it on my shelf, which is packed full of silicon packets (out of sight of course! ) to stop moisture. I will most likely be storing it in the scabbard, also. Would you "touch" ( I mean alter) this blade? I thank you all for looking, and look forward to my first SA, rust or no rust.

    I have provided a link to the dagger below for your use.

    http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=375250
    Last edited by LandZack2013; 09-23-2009, 05:56 PM. Reason: Typo
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    #2
    What to do about this is subjective for the most part, since opinions are likely to vary greatly, depending on who you ask. However, I'll throw in my personal opinion, for what it's worth.

    Of course, rust is never attractive and always distracts to some degree--especially on a focal point of a dagger. However, from my experience, such corrosion is not necessarily easily removed. The rust could be deeper than you think, requiring a rather serious buffing job to remove it, if it can indeed be removed well enough to make a difference. Sometimes, you can buff and buff this stuff, and its like a bottomless pit of whatever it is. Unfortunately, that would leave you with other problems, then including a dagger that has obviously been altered on the most important piece of its anatomy--the blade.

    On the other hand, you could get lucky. It's hard to tell.

    I'm not at all making any judgements about your dagger as it is. I'm just telling you my subjective opinion regarding some things you should consider.

    In general, I say don't mess with things; typically, it just makes matters worse. Regret could be worse than the rust.

    Chris
    Last edited by Stahlhelm; 09-24-2009, 01:56 AM.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Stahlhelm View Post

      Regret could be worse than the rust.

      Chris
      This is what I am afraid of... I think maybe I will let it be. Thank you, and I appreciate your opinion.

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        #4
        Hello LandZack2013,

        Some thoughts...

        1. Upon arrival take at least two really good quality photos of the rust spot and post them on this thread. One straight on and one from a shallow angle to illustrate, if possible, depth.

        2. When that has been done let me know and I (primarily an edged weapons collector) will make sure to view it and have others who specialize in these do so as well.

        3. Take some time to familiarize yourself with the Advanced Search feature. There are many threads here that touch upon aspects of dagger cleaning, storage, restoration, preservation etc. etc.

        4. Familiarize yourself with the products Pre-Lim and Renaissance (Ren) Wax.

        5. Consider the concept of storing your edged weapons out of their scabbards.

        6. Do not, for any reason, oil the dagger or scabbard. Nor should you take it down (dismantle) until we have had a look at it. This is not to suggest that the seller has in any way misrepresented it. Flatlander is a fine fellow to the best of my knowledge. Rather, it's because your right to return it, should you wish to, may well be compromised if you mark or damage the dagger or it's parts while doing so.

        Regards,
        Stu

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          #5
          I agree with Stu also. As I said, there are many things and different opinions to consider. If the depth of rust can be estimated through photos, as it seems possible, then that is certainly a great place to start.

          From experience in the past, I can also tell you, as it makes sense, that cleaning rust off of a spot area is likely to leave that area looking noticeably shinier than the rest of the dagger blade (regardless of whether the rust comes off). Although a shinier area is probably better than the appearance of a darker rusted area, it is another thing to consider.

          I also strongly encourage you to seek the opinions of those on the forum who specialize in this type of blade cleaning. Just be well informed first.

          Chris

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            #6
            Hi Chris,

            It's been some time since we last corresponded. I hope you are well.

            I have received a cordial PM from LandZack and he is on track with the concept of Less is Best and until the dagger arrives will spend some time reading on conservation threads. Once the dagger is in hand and close photos are posted we can see where, if anywhere, to go from there. Your point about the potential drawbacks of spot buffing is well taken. I too have seen that method cause more grief than good. Sometimes it's like a mining operation that reveals more issues the deeper you go.

            Kind regards,
            Stu

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              #7
              One point that has not been addressed, is the idea of storing this dagger in it's scabbard.....

              I (and many others) prefer storing daggers OUTSIDE the scabbards. Dirt, and moisture can sometimes be present inside a scabbard, and unless the scabbard has been taken apart (a risky proposition) and cleaned, it's probably best to keep the blade away from these destructive agents.

              In addition, everytime you remove the blade from the scabbard to view or show it, you increase the possibility that the runner marks will worsen.

              I would follow Chris' sage advice. He knows what he's talking about, and you also may want to re-think storing the blade in it's scabbard.

              Either way, congratulations on your dagger purchase, and best of luck with it!

              Cheers,
              Bob.
              I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous.....

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                #8
                Oops....My apologies to Stu, for missing the fact that he actually DID address the issue...
                I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous.....

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                  #9
                  Hi Bob,

                  Never hurts to reinforce a good point.

                  Cheers,
                  Stu

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                    #10
                    Hello Stu and Bob! It's good to see you two around here again.

                    I agree that it's best to keep daggers out of scabbards during storage--an excellent point, for sure! I've also seen too many of them that were damaged as a result of being kept in the scabbard. Needless to say, I don't like to take chances.

                    Chris

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                      #11
                      After hearing this, I will most certainly store out of scabbard.

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                        #12
                        Finally got some pics up. Sorry for delay guys. This dagger is very nice in hand, minus rust. I also got some other goodies with it from the vet who captured it!

                        http://www.flickr.com/photos/ww2mil/...7622525196847/

                        You can make pics bigger by clicking on them.

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                          #13
                          Easy stuff...

                          The easiest thing you can do with that surface rust is to rub it with a number 2 lead pencil. The graphite is so non abrasive it will take the rust off and then you can just rub it with a soft cloth. I can promise that will amaze you and make that dagger look a lot better. Then after you do that, RenWax the whole dagger, grip and all after wiping it down with a soft facecloth to get all the dirt off of it. NO water.

                          Let me know what you think...remember to take before and after pictures. I have a "few" of these SA's and an old mentor told me about this years ago and it works flawlessly. Also, none of mine ever go back in the scabbard, that only increases the runner marks and never improves the blade at all.

                          Mark

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                            #14
                            I tried that this afternoon. It took a little bit off, but not really that much. The dagger looks pretty much the same. No damage done, though. I did not hurt the value of the piece, right?

                            Thanks!

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                              #15
                              No, you didn't hurt the value at all but I would put more pressure on the rust. If the plating on the blade is going, there is nothing you can do about it. The dagger has some nice crossgraining on it so I think simichrome is too harsh to use. It does not take much to lose the crossgrain, pencil lead won't hurt it if it is a No. 2 lead pencil.

                              Mark

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