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    Hello,

    This thread originally began as a response to an older thread on the topic which recently popped to the top again. In adding something to it, my response eventually got so long and digressive that I decided to post it as a seperate thread. My intention is to bounce some of my thinking off your thinking, and see what I think in the end. Please do your best to change my mind, as I do love a challenge.

    Earlier, I have read a number of the archived threads here on whether or not to oil a rusty helmet, since I have one myself with some rust. When I say "rusty helmet," I am talking about a helmet in decent condition, save for some amount of obvious rust. I am not referring to helmets that would be considered relics. In the threads I've read, some conclude, by consensus, that it is better to treat them with some type of oil. Yet others conclude, also by a consensus, that it is better to do nothing, and leave them as they are. As for what an advice-seeking beginner may decide to do, it could simply depend on whichever thread he/she happens upon in a search.

    The arguments for doing something like applying oil are normally substantiated by the idea that they will otherwise just rust away--so something should be done, no matter what. The arguments for doing nothing normally insist that the oil itself will permanently alter and shine-up the appearance of a helmet that is intended to be dull (or certainly not shiny). The do nothing threads also remind us that doing anything to remove the rust involves abrading the helmet, further altering it, and making it less desirable and valuable. These are just paraphrases of a number of actual suggestions I've read.

    However, on the other hand, isn't the rust altering it too? Of course, rust is a natural process but who wants it, and why is alteration by rust better than alteration by rust removal?

    Ultimately, I chose to do nothing to my helmets to preserve them as they are, hoping that they will, in fact, stay preserved. I'm just currently trying to control the rust by monitoring humidity levels and keeping my helmets away from conditions which obviously promote problems.

    So, in a seperate thread juxtoposing the two common positions, does anyone else have any additional arguments for which is the best to do? I'm still trying to decide if what I am doing is the best choice. I'd rather ask again now than be sorry later. Also, maybe in reading the previous, related threads, I missed an idea that is even better. Or maybe I'm just looking for another consensus to reassure myself.

    Anyway, I would appreciate knowing how some of you have dealt with the dilemma of doing what's truly best for your rusty helmets.

    Thanks in advance to all who may respond,

    Chris

    #2
    Rust is caused by humidity. If you keep the helmet in a low-moisture environment, rust will not form and existing rust will not spread. There is no need to oil a helmet, even active rust will cease to spread if the storage conditions are controlled.

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      #3
      Thanks for responding to me Chris! Your advice is very helpful.

      Chris

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        #4
        do not oil the helmet/medal/steel it will only make it worse i am a certified welder and deal with the stuff everyday keep it in a controlled environment and you will be fine i hope this will boost your confidence no need to stress
        regards,
        lenny
        Give a man an opinion and you feed him for a day,
        teach a man to use the "search" function on the WAF and you feed him for a lifetime.

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          #5
          Originally posted by scorched earth View Post
          do not oil the helmet/medal/steel it will only make it worse i am a certified welder and deal with the stuff everyday keep it in a controlled environment and you will be fine i hope this will boost your confidence no need to stress
          regards,
          lenny
          Lenny,

          Yes, your advice definitely does boost my confidence about what I'm doing (that is NOT oiling it). It always helps to hear from someone like you who really has experience with what I need to know.

          Thanks again!

          Chris

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            #6
            I like to work on cars and if I am looking at a classic car that has a moderate amount of rust I just pass on the whole thing. In the automotive field we call rust "cancer", if not cut out of a cars sheet metal it will spread. At the very least preventive measures should be taken (ie oil) otherwise the rust will completely take over.

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              #7
              Rust has no life of its own. For iron to become iron oxide (rust), three things are required: iron, water and oxygen. Take away one and there is no rust.

              Peter

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                #8
                Thanks again for the continued opinions. Everything is considered and appreciated.

                I am currently monitoring my helmet's environment with a device that constantly measures humidity levels. My humidity level has currently been between 41 and 45%. According to all professional informatioin about this I have, I believe that these levels are too low to allow rust to occur. I've read from several sources that rust isn't even able to occur until about 65% humidity exists. In other words, at my 40-something levels, the rust is dead. So, if rust can be controlled this way, as others have suggested, I think it is a most-practical noninvasive, nonaltering method of rust control.

                So, as a first step, I would now strongly recommend that everyone get one of those temperature/humidity monitors, and keep an eye on your humidity level (That is if you don't already have one). Those monitors are inexpensive, and well worth the money.

                Thanks again,

                Chris

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                  #9
                  Since no one has disagreed with my last post, it must mean that my current choice of action is approved of by most people. I find that people are more likely to speak up when they disapprove than when they approve. So, I suppose silence at this point may be a good thing.

                  Breaking the silence,

                  Chris

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                    Originally posted by Stahlhelm View Post
                    Since no one has disagreed with my last post, it must mean that my current choice of action is approved of by most people. I find that people are more likely to speak up when they disapprove than when they approve. So, I suppose silence at this point may be a good thing.

                    Breaking the silence,

                    Chris
                    Remember though that "sticky fingers" can kill your wares as well. The gadget to measure humidity is called hygrometer.

                    Peter

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Peter Wiking View Post
                      Remember though that "sticky fingers" can kill your wares as well. The gadget to measure humidity is called hygrometer.

                      Peter
                      Fortunately, the "sticky fingers" danger is something I've known about since the beginning of my collecting days. So, I've certainly never laid so much as a single finger on any of mine. At this point, the only fingers that may have ever been on my daggers were on them before I ever added them to my collection. However, thanks for the reminder, just in case.

                      Yes, the hygrometers are just the thing to keep an eye on those other invisible fingers called humidity.

                      Thanks for the response,

                      Chris

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