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    Conservation Chaos!

    Oh, how these archival storage/display issues drive me nuts!!!! Don't get me wrong. I really can't get enough info about how to preserve my stuff. I also greatly appreciate a forum devoted soley to it's discussion. However, it just drives me bannanas--yes, and nuts too--trying to finally get it all figured out. I must admit that this thread evolved from an initial singular response to the other thread about the use of Riker mounts and the polyester batting. I'm using some of those right now, so I almost fell out of my chair as I was reading it. Since I just kept on and on with my response to that thread, I finally just decided to post this whole thing as a separate thread.

    Now to begin this, I really do think about and research all the best archival everything, because I, like most people, am very serious about preserving my collectibles. However, just when I think I've figured it out, and have spent considerable time, money, and effort organizing a safe and attractive display and/or storage, I find out something else has to be changed again.

    On the subject of the Riker cases, I am currently using these things with the included polyester batting. I even have some of my prized artifacts resting directly on top of the polyester batting, as I type this. So, after a point, I begin to ask myself where I can go next with this. It seems that virtually everything I use is eventually found to be harmful. Ironically, even expensive cases that are made specifically for the storage and display of artifacts are found to be made of unsafe materials. On what exactly can I safely lay my stuff?

    To make matters worse, when I go to major military shows, I see many dealers(some very well-respected) displaying their inventory and display-only pieces on and in things that are considered to be nonarchival. This is especially true with the use of foam rubber in display cases. It is excessively common. I cannot count the times I have seen a prized SS Chained Dagger pressed between the case glass and a colored foam rubber insert. Even if the dagger is seperated from the foam rubber by a material of some sort, it cannot be protected that way from the build-up and containment of gases from the deteriorating foam rubber within the case. Yes, realistically I believe that this is an issue that is just as important to consider--that is, if things are to be considered from a wholistic rather than a pinpointed viewpoint.

    As for the issue of properly putting a helmet on a helmet stand, that has created a headache for discussion in another thread entirely--something not made of styrofoam, that doesn't fill the inside entirely (as this will prevent ventillation and promote mold growth), but does support the liner, without putting stress on the 70-year-old-threads, that only makes contact with the metal of the top of the helmet (with an archival material), so as not to put pressure on the fingers of the leather liner, but that somehow supports the leather fingers to prevent them from succumbing to gravity and sagging over time, and on, and on, and on, and....This series of conflicting requirements for helmet display is not anything I made up. They are actual suggestions that I have gathered from a variety of respectable sources, both on and offline, over time. Oh well, like I said, a discussion for another thread entirely someday...

    I guess that's what drives me so bonkers about all of this. It sometimes seems that I spend as much or more time thinking of the very important, ever-changing issues of preservation. I can't even stop to enjoy my collection long enough, before I have to start worrying again about my display method and how I'm going to do it differently. I'm sometimes even afraid to read the conservation section of the forum; I might actually learn something I don't really want to know. I could probably buy another nice piece for my collection with all the money I've wasted on display materials that are not suitable for use.

    Just posting my general thoughts and frustrations with archival preservation allows me some cathartic relief. However, I will appropriately end this with a question to hopefully also create some discussion. Is it just me, or is anyone else out there sometimes or often driven over the edge with the headaches of ever-changing info on what should and should not be done to just keep your stuff safe--if nothing else, just for the duration of your own lifetime?
    Last edited by Stahlhelm; 08-19-2007, 06:35 PM.

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    I think I will now extend the length of the above article.

    Just kidding... I wrote the above posting in a very extreme moment of pensive frustration. I am currently at peace with this issue; I have finally reached a happy medium of compromise and appreciation.

    Thanks to all for reading...

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      #3
      Dear Stahlheim,
      As someone with a large paper collection, I understand. As my geographic area of S. California's weather has just about turned tropical-like instead of desert-like with excess humidity(--thanks global warming), I am on a continual battle with mold , foxing, aging paper, moths, etc. Now you have me worried about my 2 helmets. yesterday I was at a fabric store buying the most pure cotton muslin , linen stuff (apparently by US gov. requirements there is somthing like 14% polyester even in the purest cotton stuff)I could find to re-do my shadow boxes and ryker mounts. You should have seen the dear lady when I answered her question as to why I was looking for this fabric--total incomprehension as to militaria collecting...I warned her as time goes by she will be having more men coming in for the same reasons I am just about to tear out the styofoam today.
      --Michael Fay

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        #4
        Michael,

        Thank you so much for your response! I was beginning to think I was all alone out there. It's nice to know that there's somebody else out there who echos my frustration. Not that I wish anything bad on anybody, of course. I just wouldn't want to think that I'm the only one...

        Sincerely,

        Stahlhelm

        P.S. I'll actually be visiting the fabric store this week to get some of that muslin you spoke of. However, now I see that even muslin is not necessarily the 100% archival cotton I thought it was. Thanks for clueing me in on that too. If I could post one of those screaming smilies in this edit, I would.
        Last edited by Stahlhelm; 08-19-2007, 06:50 PM.

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          #5
          You are not alone! I am there too. I was my 100 percent cotton muslin twice- the first time with Arm & Hammer Free detergent, then again with no detergent. I actually read that 100 percent virgin polyester fiber is inert and archival safe. Conservation is a real challenge, it certainly can be frustrating.

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            #6
            Chris,

            Thanks for letting me know what you read about the safety of polyester fibers. It's good to hear that from someone. If you say you read it somewhere, I'm only too eager to believe it, since I really don't want to replace all that too...

            Hearing what everybody finds out here and there about everything is really about the only hope of figuring all this out...

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              #7
              Well, I just bought 10 yards of muslin from the local fabric store today--that is since I must lay my stuff on something. When I told the saleswoman what I needed it for, she said that several other collectors of militaria had been in her store just this week, also buying large quantities of it. Hmmmm....more awareness of conservation in the militaria community could lead to a shortage of muslin....

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                #8
                Originally posted by Stahlhelm View Post
                Well, I just bought 10 yards of muslin from the local fabric store today--that is since I must lay my stuff on something. When I told the saleswoman what I needed it for, she said that several other collectors of militaria had been in her store just this week, also buying large quantities of it. Hmmmm....more awareness of conservation in the militaria community could lead to a shortage of muslin....
                Hah, so it has started. It is for the good: if we can preserve this stuff longer than our own lives we have done somthing for the good.
                --Michael

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                  #9
                  Yes, I agree Michael. I'll do whatever it takes for my part (once I figure it all out ), and it's worth every penny of it--and, in my case, every yard, I suppose!

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                    #10
                    the other thing is even though we all want to keep and protect our items, the fact is most of them are better of now in a collection than what thay have been for yrs, only a couple of months ago i had some items off a vet that where chucked in a metal tin and had been up his attic since 1945 they still look great,maybe we all get a bit too paranoid about it, after all as i said most of them have had hard lives and have still come out of it looking good
                    stu

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Michael Fay View Post
                      Hah, so it has started. It is for the good: if we can preserve this stuff longer than our own lives we have done somthing for the good.
                      --Michael
                      I just bought 2,000 bolts of muslin....I know a good thing when I see it coming....)

                      Bob.
                      I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous.....

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                        #12
                        Yes Stuart, I agree with you 100%. I have also often seen pieces come "out of the woodwork" looking just fine. Yes, some of it does even come from people who know and care far less (or not at all) about any of these archival issues. To use a cliche, I think that we sometimes just know too much for our own good (or peace of mind). In our efforts to protect, we sometimes overassess the dangers and become paranoid. But, with the barage of ever-conflicting warnings and dangers related to almost everthing practical to use, how can one not become paranoid?

                        It seems that the only way to truly avoid the frustration is to simply not listen to all the latest information and effectively not really care at all. But, who doesn't care at all? Nobody. We are doomed to the headaches of preservation simply because we care. And yes, because we care, it is at least better off with us than it might be with someone who doesn't. At the end of the day, we can at least say that we've done our best. However, that is another headache of an issue entirely, and I'm glad you brought up that point with such a great example. That makes me rethink this thing yet again....

                        Wow!!! Bob, bought 2,000 bolts of muslin! (And I thought I bought a lot.) Considering ever-heightening collector awareness and possible future shortages, that might be just the thing to invest in. Or, maybe we should buy a couple thousand crates of metal tins. Who knows?
                        Last edited by Stahlhelm; 08-25-2007, 10:24 PM.

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