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    #1

    Riker Mount Problems

    Hello All,

    Whilst using riker mounts for storage over a relatively short period of time, I have noticed that certain cloth items such as medal ribbons or armbands can leave an image on the inside of the glass where they have been in contact.
    This image can be 'wiped' from the glass.
    This is obviously some sort of substance that has formed, and as of yet, I have not seen this happen with any metallic badge or medal.
    Has anyone else had this happen with cloth items, or had any problems storing actual medals/badges in riker mounts?
    The cloth is all of pre '45 manufacture.
    The riker mounts only have the spun white filling behind the items.
    I guess I'm questioning whether or not riker mounts are the best way to go for long term storage.
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    I've been storing & displaying insignia in Riker mounts for over 30 years now & have never had any problems. When you get that "ghost" image on the inside of the glass, just remove the glass top & clean it with a good window cleaner that does NOT have amonia in it. Make sure it is really dry before putting the lid back on the Riker. You should be good to go.

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      #3
      Hi Lee,

      Thanks for the positive info.
      Do you know the reason why these ghost images form?

      Regards,
      Jay

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        #4
        Hello,

        The foam that is supplied with some riker frames leeches solvants which can affect cloth patches, and can cause the "ghost" image on the inside of the glass. If you cover the foam with a felt or cotton this problem should stop. After I switched to a wool felt background I have not had this problem. (see below).

        Another cause of this ghosting is moisture condensing on the inside of the glass and being absorbed into the cloth which in turn causes dyes etc to leech from the cloth itself. Putting an acid free mat to keep the cloth from touching the glass will stop this. Of course the patches would have to be pinned to keep them in place.

        Regards,
        Bill Unland
        Last edited by W.Unland; 04-02-2008, 01:17 AM.

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          #5
          Txs, Riker Explanation......

          Thanks Bill,

          You've answered a perplexing Question, to me as well - Plus you've shown a Superb Display. Thanks for Both! Dave.....dblmed

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            #6
            The ghost images are the dirt and grime that have leached out of the insignia, onto the glass. nothing to worry about.

            If you use the brand name RIKER SPECIMIN MOUNTS, the cotton batting is impregnated with a presertive for mounting insect specimins. This is not good for the insignia or badges, etc.

            I wrap the batting (polyester batting) with saran wrap and cover with a nice cloth to highlight the collectibles. NEVER place anything directly on foam rubber. The deterioration of the foam rubber will discolor and corrode some metals and may discolor cloth insignia.

            Bob Hritz
            In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.

            Duct tape can't fix stupid, but it can muffle the sound.

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              #7
              Hi Guys,

              Thanks for the input.

              Does this mean that the white polyester batting, if uncovered, is potentially harmful to both metal and cloth items which would be in contact with it?

              I've seen an awful lot of collectors and dealers that use these cases without any cover between the batting and badges.

              I look forward to more members putting their opinions forward with the ultimate aim of protecting our collections for years to come!!

              Regards,
              Jay

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                #8
                If I am correct pretty much anything synthetic manufactured has the potential to break down and react with metal or cloth. The wool idea looks great and is natural so shouldnt react with anything. I have seen a few displays done with burlap that looked pretty cool also and accomplished the same effect. Lastly some of my insignia is mounted with natural painters canvas backing, it is cheap, can be cut to a specific size, easy to find, and lastly does not require a home depot to install. Craft stores can be our friends. Besides for those of us that are married or in a long term, the craft store route is usually a good way to keep the significant other amused and involved.

                Bill that display looks great!

                Take care,
                Joe

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                  #9
                  I have heard that polyester, though synthetic, is not reactive or harmful with metals and/or cloth. Can anyone confirm or deny?
                  Richard V

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                    #10
                    Hello,

                    To my knowledge polyester batting is NOT harmful. Foam rubber and styrofoam definitely are. Some of the "new" riker frames come with foam inserts or colored foam backed sheets. These cause serious problems.

                    Regards,
                    Bill Unland

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by gijoe002us View Post
                      If I am correct pretty much anything synthetic manufactured has the potential to break down and react with metal or cloth. The wool idea looks great and is natural so shouldnt react with anything. I have seen a few displays done with burlap that looked pretty cool also and accomplished the same effect. Lastly some of my insignia is mounted with natural painters canvas backing, it is cheap, can be cut to a specific size, easy to find, and lastly does not require a home depot to install. Craft stores can be our friends. Besides for those of us that are married or in a long term, the craft store route is usually a good way to keep the significant other amused and involved.

                      Bill that display looks great!

                      Take care,
                      Joe
                      Give a man an opinion and you feed him for a day,
                      teach a man to use the "search" function on the WAF and you feed him for a lifetime.

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                        #12
                        I usually am dissatisfied with the look of paper Ryker cases and prefer wooden
                        displays but after seeing your police display Bill I must say I might rethink them. Very nice.

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                          #13
                          thanks for the acid free mat idear looks great

                          Originally posted by W.Unland View Post
                          Hello,

                          The foam that is supplied with some riker frames leeches solvants which can affect cloth patches, and can cause the "ghost" image on the inside of the glass. If you cover the foam with a felt or cotton this problem should stop. After I switched to a wool felt background I have not had this problem. (see below).

                          Another cause of this ghosting is moisture condensing on the inside of the glass and being absorbed into the cloth which in turn causes dyes etc to leech from the cloth itself. Putting an acid free mat to keep the cloth from touching the glass will stop this. Of course the patches would have to be pinned to keep them in place.

                          Regards,
                          Bill Unland

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by U-Boot Kapitan View Post
                            Hello All,

                            Whilst using riker mounts for storage over a relatively short period of time, I have noticed that certain cloth items such as medal ribbons or armbands can leave an image on the inside of the glass where they have been in contact.
                            This image can be 'wiped' from the glass.
                            This is obviously some sort of substance that has formed, and as of yet, I have not seen this happen with any metallic badge or medal.
                            Has anyone else had this happen with cloth items, or had any problems storing actual medals/badges in riker mounts?
                            The cloth is all of pre '45 manufacture.
                            The riker mounts only have the spun white filling behind the items.
                            I guess I'm questioning whether or not riker mounts are the best way to go for long term storage.
                            Yes, I've encountered the same problem of seeing a 'ghost image' appear on the underside of the glass cover. This is as someone else suggested dirt, etc leeching or breathing out of objects especially cloth. I have also had suggested by a conservator that humidity inside the case or leeching into the case (as they are not exactly air tight) can react with the objects and add to the problem. My advice would be to monitor the riker mounts in your collection and also the environment in which they are stored IE in a stable non-humid environment.

                            Regards,

                            Konrad

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                              #15
                              OH NO!!! The chaos has begun again!!!

                              I am currently trying to devise some sort of method that suspends my military collectibles in midair (or midnitrogen...), so that they don't touch ANYTHING!!!

                              Just kidding about the midair suspension, of course. But, every time I look in this section I must admit that I'm a bit nervous. No offense to anyone, of course. Please do keep the archival news hot off the press, as we really need to know.

                              As I think I said earlier, I have currently replaced every substrate in my collection with 100% natural muslin. Nothing in my collection makes ANY physical contact with ANY synthetic materials. If natural materials, such as the muslin, are also found to be harmful, I may have to actually begin the research on the midair suspension...

                              Thanks again for the additional archival news! If I see any evidence of muslin-related damage, I'll be sure to pass it on, as soon as possible...

                              Chris

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