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**Master3477** · 03-15-2005, 09:38 PM

Hello

basicly you did everything the correct way. But there are a few more loops so that a longer ribbon bar would look better. The KVK2 ribbon in the buttonhole and the EK2 on the ribbon bar are fine. The EK1 in my opinion is a good choice for that spot. A KVK1 would be possible too but than most likely not in combination with the IAB.
I would just get a longer ribbonbar and leave the rest like it is.

**Jim Baker** · 03-17-2005, 12:35 AM

First, that's a fine looking tunic.

Sven is right, it's OK the way you have it. Just me, but I would have the EKII ribbon in the button hole and go with a KVK (if that's what you want), on the ribbon bar. You sure have plenty of space for a bigger bar as Sven pointed out. But that's purely my preference. I really like the EKI and IAB.

**bratwurstdimsum** · 03-17-2005, 04:16 AM

Thats a great complement coming from you PMan, thanks!!

I'm going to purchase a ribbon soon but want it to be in keeping with the character I am portraying...so it cant be a mile long as he only started his military career in Barbarossa.

**CRAIGGOODWIN** · 03-17-2005, 06:42 AM

Hello

Hi mate Rick has some nice ones for sale under March Ribbion bar Madness or something like that - Have a look.

I have the same problem in that my tunic has I think three loops but I want to have an EK2 ribbon from the button hole so I have a few Ribbon bars with different awards some with a long service, one with a west wall etc.

The one I just bought has EK2, KVK2 & 2 occupation medals, so I can mix & match & maybe have a eastmedal & a romanium against communism from the button hole for a change.

Or I have have it set up with an ek2 or a KVK2 you just have to look around for the ribbon bar you want.

I asked the same questions as you so if you do a search under threads started by me you should find it.

I also read you can have an Afrika Italo ribbon from the buttonhole as well, hope this has made sense.

Regards
Craig

**Rick Research** · 03-17-2005, 10:31 PM

A 1939 KVK2 ribbon would NOT be worn while a 1939 EK2 was only on a ribbon bar...

maybe on the day it was awarded, but not after that:

the buttonhole position was the "most honored" spot. A full size Sitzfleischorden ribbon there with a teeny tiny 15mm EK ribbon would "slight" the more important award. The only time you will see a WW2 KVK buttonhole ribbon with a ribbon bar EK is when the ribbon bar is the 1914 type... and the "highest award in CURRENT war" was the KVK.

I do not think any specific regulations related to this because it would have been common sense for the wearer to want to show off his more important award.

For the same reason, you will almost never see a WW2 EK and KVK both being worn together in the buttonhole. It simply would never have looked natural to a WW2 German recipient. There may have been no official regulation one way or the other, but custom and normal practice were against it, if you look over period photos of awards being worn.

**Jim Baker** · 03-17-2005, 10:54 PM

Rick,

Great info, thanks. That does make sense, and now that you mention it, I don't think I've seen that combo worn.

**CRAIGGOODWIN** · 03-18-2005, 12:15 AM

Hi my main man Ricky !!!

Here is the pic of the bar I just bought from Stoogieman.

( Dang work wont let me - but it is EK2, KVK2, Austrian occupation, Czech occupation )

In this case I thought I could have the eastmedal & the romanium medal worn from the button hole & it would thereby look like a soldier who has served on the Eastern Front. I guess using your advise the Eastmedal would be on top as it would be the more honoured award, but would this be against what you were advising above ? in that the EK2 should be in the buttonhole because it is the highest...oh my aching head...

It's a real pain if your tunic has a 3 or 4 loop & you want to have the EK2 or whatever from the buttonhole because most of the ribbons you want to have there are usually on the ribbon bar.

I to have had a thread on this & whilst I think I am a bit clearer it is still fuzzy round the edges.

This could turn into a good thread if we get some knowledgable collectors got involved to teach us newbies...

Rick as I said I have read in the Afrikakorp book by Bender that the Afrika-italo ribbon can also be worn from the buttonhole have you heard of this.

Also what ribbons can be worn there ?? as far as I know they are

Imperial EK2
TR Ek2
East medal
KVK2
Romanium against communism
Akfria-Italo

Have I missed any, I have also seen a fellow collector put some Croation ribbons there is this possible ??

Regards
Craig

PS glad to see you back even though you never went away

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**bratwurstdimsum** · 03-18-2005, 02:34 AM

Originally posted by Rick Research

A 1939 KVK2 ribbon would NOT be worn while a 1939 EK2 was only on a ribbon bar...

Ok I got a spare ek2 ribbon anyhow but would you then see the ek2 on the button hole ribbon AND the ribbon bar?

BDS

**Rick Research** · 03-18-2005, 02:00 PM

You will SEE that in incorrect-wear studio portrait photos, apparently on the "wear everything" theory. Correctly, no.

Very very often for FIELD wear or as a fashion under-statement, you will see JUST buttonhole ribbons and no ribbon bar (despite empty ribbon bar loops being visible) at all being worn-- which is why many recipients of the 1941/42 East Medal chose to wear that in their buttonhole under an EK or KVK, in absence of a ribbon bar. They then sometimes OVER-dressed in studio portraits by wearing a ribbon bar with the same awards on it as in the buttonhole, but that would NEVER have passed inspection in service wear.

Only ONE of the SAME award could be worn. (WW2 Spangen to WW1 EKs were SECOND separate awards so both of those were correctly worn together.)

It comes down to the most IMPORTANT things being worn, and the least important things being left off in field dress. In garrison or on home leave, on a staff, and so on, everything would have been worn-- but worn correctly.

**bnz. 42** · 03-18-2005, 11:17 PM

Rick, thanks for the info.
Is it correct to have a 1939 EKII ribbon in buttonhole and 1939 EK1 Spange + 1914 EK1 on a front pocket?

**CRAIGGOODWIN** · 03-20-2005, 03:29 AM

But how Ricky how ???

Originally posted by Rick Research

It comes down to the most IMPORTANT things being worn, and the least important things being left off in field dress. In garrison or on home leave, on a staff, and so on, everything would have been worn-- but worn correctly.

How do we find these things out - I have asked before but the response was luke warm - in fact untill this thread I didnt know that the EK2 was suppossed to be worn in the buttonhole over the ribbon bar

Ok I have uploaded the pic of the bar I just got from Rick ( the other evil one ) in my previous post, so in this case the east medal & the romanium would be ok based on Rick's advice, or it wouldnt because the Ek2 is on the ribbon bar & not in the buttonhole ??

Here is a ribbon bar where the EK@ ribbon could be worn from the buttonhole - this would be ok because the EK 2 isnt on it ?

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**CRAIGGOODWIN** · 03-20-2005, 03:32 AM

and what about this one ??

In this case all the ribbons are on the ribbon bar - could you have a ribbon from the button hole with this I assume not ??

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