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    Reinhard Heydrich Presentation piece

    Gentlemen, I recently purchased this from a well known dealer as an origiginal period piece. If anyone has any info. on it or even an opinion, I would like to hear from you. So far I am getting a variety of opinions. I will include some pics as well as some of the dealers description. Please respond to coltauto1911@aol.com, Thanks in advance and a HAPPY NEW YEAR to all.

    Vendor description,
    DESCRIPTION: This is absolutely the finest Heydrich piece ever made available for the historic implications are ‘stupendous’ and far reaching. The year 1934: until that year the Geheime-Staatspolizei (Secret State Police) was a private organization (Gemeinschaft) within the Department 1-A of the Prussian Sate Police. It was established by Hermann Goring after Hitler gained power in 1933. In 1934, Goring under pressure from Heinrich Himmler agreed to grant control of this the aforementioned Dept 1-A to the SS. In 1936 Reinhard Heydrich became head of the Gestapo as it had by then been named in the transformation in 1934. In the course of the changeover to the more effective Gestapo, Heydrich had worked diligently with Heinrich Muller and others to modernize the units and bring them to speed as the most competent and efficient criminal investigative agency in the world. During World War II, the Gestapo was expanded to around 45,000 members. Prior to 1934, Reinhard Heydrich was the Police Chief of Bavaria and Head of the Sicherheitsdienst- SD from 1931 to 1942 and head of the Gestapo from 1934 to 1936. The writing engraved on this wonderful piece presented to Heydrich as SS Gruppenführer reads in grateful thanks for his leading talent in the beginning of our organization in 1934 and it is from his loyal police officers. Heydrich was an SS Gruppenführer, in 1934 he was promoted to this austere rank after the ‘Night of the Long Knives’ June 30, 1934. So it is obvious that this platter was given during the most crucial time of N.S. destiny. The men presenting it called themselves a Gemeinshaft (organization) because the presentation was obviously made during that time that the change was being accomplised from Department 1-A to Gestapo. The platter is huge and entirely crafted from genuine silver (835 grade) and so marked with the moon, crown, and eagle logo as required. The platter measures 18" x 13 ½" . The edges are turned as fine German dining regulations demanded for elegant place settings. Below the eagle is the engraved statement ‘Meine Ehre Heisst Treue’ My Honor is Loyalty. The catch phrase of the SS and SS Police. These four words personify the SS organization and all of their agenda. It would be a real task to find something that is more historically important or more beautiful than this piece. The hand engraved eagle is the work of a master artist with each and every feather in minute detail. There were many eagles symbolizing various organizations within the Third Reich but none can compare with this special rendering for sheer glorious elegance. The engraving is so deep that you could slide your fingernail below each and every breast feather.
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    #2
    Uniquely interesting piece.....
    Cheers, Steve
    ----------------------------------------------------------------
    "Next to a battle lost, the saddest thing is a battle won." Arthur Wellesley — Duke of Wellington

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      #3
      Beautiful engraving. Solid provenance on this piece?

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        #4
        Very Nice Looking......... (and then the skeptic in me bubbled to the surface).

        Who is the dealer and what kind of provenance does the piece come with ?

        The dealers description is certainly "glowing" but it doesn't really say very much. As this is a one of a kind piece, I would have to say that I would prefer a little more information as to the who, what, when, where and why of the item in question.

        Then again, I'm old & cynical

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          #5
          The eagle is beautiful, but on the other hand quite overdone for a German eagle, gives it a bit comic appearance ..
          For SS I would expect other symbols, eagles ..

          ... but I've never seen Heydrich's plate, it's just observation..

          Think it's expensive, not something I would buy with only a story..

          Jos.

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            #6
            Every german maker of silver had a different mark, so who is the maker according to the german silver marks? So can you show a close up of the makers mark?

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              #7
              I have several one of a kind Heydrich items and I would certainly like to know where this piece came from. Can you tell us who sold it and how he proved it was period?

              This is one of my Heydrich pieces...so I am more than curious.

              Mark
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                #8
                Perhaps you might have a photo of the back or a close up of the silver mark as Juoneen also asked?

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                  #9
                  Silver marks

                  Here is a pic of the Hallmarks on the back.
                  Attached Files

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                    #10
                    sent it back,its a nice repro,made in eastern europe,i have seen few made like the one you has posted

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                      #11
                      I agree with besslein- without provenance, new engraving on an old plate. There are still talented engravers out there who can do this type of work, I have no doubt.

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                        #12
                        Provenanace

                        The only Provenanace that came with it was that it was looted by partisans from the Prague Palace office of Heydrich, where after Heydrichs assasanation it was in a repository under the keeping of Reichs Protector Karl Hermann Frank who was later found murdered. It will be on display at SOS if anyone would like to see it.
                        I did not mention the dealer on purpose but it is someone I trust.
                        If someone like a T. Wittman or a Bill shea ( it's not them) tells me it's the real deal, I trust them ,Thanks

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                          #13
                          outstanding piece thank you for sharing
                          Originally posted by DOYMC View Post
                          Gentlemen, I recently purchased this from a well known dealer as an origiginal period piece. If anyone has any info. on it or even an opinion, I would like to hear from you. So far I am getting a variety of opinions. I will include some pics as well as some of the dealers description. Please respond to coltauto1911@aol.com, Thanks in advance and a HAPPY NEW YEAR to all.

                          Vendor description,
                          DESCRIPTION: This is absolutely the finest Heydrich piece ever made available for the historic implications are ‘stupendous’ and far reaching. The year 1934: until that year the Geheime-Staatspolizei (Secret State Police) was a private organization (Gemeinschaft) within the Department 1-A of the Prussian Sate Police. It was established by Hermann Goring after Hitler gained power in 1933. In 1934, Goring under pressure from Heinrich Himmler agreed to grant control of this the aforementioned Dept 1-A to the SS. In 1936 Reinhard Heydrich became head of the Gestapo as it had by then been named in the transformation in 1934. In the course of the changeover to the more effective Gestapo, Heydrich had worked diligently with Heinrich Muller and others to modernize the units and bring them to speed as the most competent and efficient criminal investigative agency in the world. During World War II, the Gestapo was expanded to around 45,000 members. Prior to 1934, Reinhard Heydrich was the Police Chief of Bavaria and Head of the Sicherheitsdienst- SD from 1931 to 1942 and head of the Gestapo from 1934 to 1936. The writing engraved on this wonderful piece presented to Heydrich as SS Gruppenführer reads in grateful thanks for his leading talent in the beginning of our organization in 1934 and it is from his loyal police officers. Heydrich was an SS Gruppenführer, in 1934 he was promoted to this austere rank after the ‘Night of the Long Knives’ June 30, 1934. So it is obvious that this platter was given during the most crucial time of N.S. destiny. The men presenting it called themselves a Gemeinshaft (organization) because the presentation was obviously made during that time that the change was being accomplised from Department 1-A to Gestapo. The platter is huge and entirely crafted from genuine silver (835 grade) and so marked with the moon, crown, and eagle logo as required. The platter measures 18" x 13 ½" . The edges are turned as fine German dining regulations demanded for elegant place settings. Below the eagle is the engraved statement ‘Meine Ehre Heisst Treue’ My Honor is Loyalty. The catch phrase of the SS and SS Police. These four words personify the SS organization and all of their agenda. It would be a real task to find something that is more historically important or more beautiful than this piece. The hand engraved eagle is the work of a master artist with each and every feather in minute detail. There were many eagles symbolizing various organizations within the Third Reich but none can compare with this special rendering for sheer glorious elegance. The engraving is so deep that you could slide your fingernail below each and every breast feather.

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                            #14
                            in german auction house 3 weeks ago the same story:

                            Danziger Cross first class
                            " my grandfather in SS found it 6/42 in Prag "

                            iam sure new engraving

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                              #15
                              From your message #12: Reichs Protector Karl Hermann Frank who was later found murdered.

                              1) Frank was never Reichsprotektor. After Heydrich's assassination, Kurt Daluege was appointed Reichsprotektor.

                              2) Frank was not murdered. He was captured after the war, tried by the Czechs, and executed (hung) in May, 1946.

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