Very rare SS-Leibermuster-Jacket

[charlemagneXX]

Hello,

an Friend recently bought this Jacket, it was found in the early 80s in cellars of
KZ / KL Ravensbrück.

This type of Leibermuster was used by Division Charlemagne in 1944 and 1945,
Division Skanderberg in 1945 and Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler in 1945.

A modified version of this pattern, was produced by CSSR after the war.

I had the chance to check the jacket yesterday and i'm sure it's 100% original,
because it's like nothing i have ever seen before.
I have three different CSSR-Leibermuster-jackets in my collection, so i can tell
you, this is definately not a CSSR-jacket of any kind.

The overall colour-tone of the jacket ist very different..., pattern is very differ-
ent in details..., the style is not czech..., several details were sewn by hand...
wich ist typical Ravensbrück-made...
I have SS-Tarnjacken made by Texled in Ravensbrück in my collection and this
one was made there too 100%, even the way the Buttonholes were sewn, fits
perfectly...
I checked the jacket with Ultraviolet and Infrared, it's totally invisible..., typical
for authentic Leibermuster-jackets of Waffen-SS.

The jacket is not stamped, but this is not unusual for late war production or
prototype-series..., this pattern was first used by Charlemagne in August 44
for prototype-testing.

I knew that these Leibermusters were existing, because i have photos..., but
i never dreamed about touching a real one.

i offered my friend 5000 EUR, but he refused and told me, that he would never
sell it, not for any money...

Here some pictures:

At first, the difference of this jacket and the CSSR-pattern:

The jacket of my friend, you can clearly see the different colour and the white
band around the black sections of the pattern, which the czech patterns never
had.






For easier comparison:
This is the czech pattern, no white band..., different colours..., it glows slighty
under influence of UV- and IR-Light, unlike the SS-pattern...!




Division Charlemagne:






Late Third Reich-stamp:




Division Skanderberg:

[Fritz]

I don't mean to insult you...but is this a joke?

[MisterX]

Its not a joke, its his REAL opinion.

[Peter Wiking]

That uniform was not manufactured before May 1945. Everything is wrong. Buttons, stitching, style... Not wartime.

Peter

[charlemagneXX]

That uniform was not manufactured before May 1945. Everything is wrong. Buttons, stitching, style... Not wartime.

Peter

Hi Peter,

i do not agree with you.

The style is very similar to other Leibermuster-summerjackets..., it's not very
clear on the photo, but on a person or showroomdummy, it comes clearer.

I can not say anything about the buttons..., but the stitching fits definately.

[Peppe864]

come on.................................

[Peter Wiking]

charlemagneXX
The entire camoflage pattern is wrong. Also, this camoflage was not used i 1944.

Peter

[charlemagneXX]

come on.................................

At first, it was a shock for myself..., but this jacket is no fake.

It was offered by a known german Militaria-dealer, who had it for almost 20 years in his private collection.

He bought it himself from a coworker of "KZ-Gedenkstätte Ravensbrück"...

[charlemagneXX]

charlemagneXX
The entire camoflage pattern is wrong. Also, this camoflage was not used i 1944.

Peter

What you are talking about?

"wrong"?

Tell me, which pattern we see on the photos of Charlemagne and Skanderberg?

[Fritz]

CharlemagneXX,
the item you think of as being an Leiber piece is not a german wartime item. It's all wrong starting with the pattern itself.

The pictures you have shown show ss camouflage smocks. These have nothing to do with the Leiber-Muster items and were of much earlier issue.

What you have labeled "Division Charlemagne" shows SS-VT troops in france in 1940. It's an image that originates from the period book "Waffen-SS im Westen".

Peter is absolutely right, it's not a period piece. The good news is that you didn't buy it for 5000,-Euros.

Sorry

Fritz

[Fritz]

Tell me, which pattern we see on the photos of Charlemagne and Skanderberg?

Items you see on the "Charlemagne" pic (the original pic shows many more men, btw. it's NOT "charlemagne" but SS-VT in 1940) are M38 smocks in Block, Lateral and Plane tree. The "Skanderbeg" pic shows an plane tree M42, can't say if type one or two.

Cheers

Fritz

[charlemagneXX]

CharlemagneXX,
the item you think of as being an Leiber piece is not a german wartime item. It's all wrong starting with the pattern itself.

Tell me, do you know anything about the so-called "czech-Leibermuster"...??

Do you know were this name is coming from??

The pictures you have shown show ss camouflage smocks. These have nothing to do with the Leiber-Muster items and were of much earlier issue.

No, not comouflage schmocks..., i have them in my collection, definately not.

What you have labeled "Division Charlemagne" shows SS-VT troops in france in 1940. It's an image that originates from the period book "Waffen-SS im Westen".

This picture was declared wrong several times..., it's from 1944.

Look at this picture..., May 1945, Charlemagne POWs..., also schmock-patterns
on the third from left?? look at the schoulder...

[Peppe864]

At first, it was a shock for myself..., but this jacket is no fake.

It was offered by a known german Militaria-dealer, who had it for almost 20 years in his private collection.

He bought it himself from a coworker of "KZ-Gedenkstätte Ravensbrück"...

Are you trying to provoke someone? It does´t work, because the jacket is a piece of poopoo.

You can tell whatever stories you like but this item will never be original........

[Fritz]

Ok, enjoy your Leiber Tunic.


Ta-Ta

Fritz

[charlemagneXX]

Items you see on the "Charlemagne" pic (the original pic shows many more men, btw. it's NOT "charlemagne" but SS-VT in 1940) are M38 smocks in Block, Lateral and Plane tree.

Never ever.

The "Skanderbeg" pic shows an plane tree M42, can't say if type one or two.

No, it's not even similar.