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    #31
    Originally posted by stahlhelmM40 View Post
    Hersteller: 84 (Carl Poellath te Schrobenhausen)
    I would need to see a lot of proof before I believe that.

    Do you have an example? Please post it in a new thread for discussion.

    Matt

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      #32
      Originally posted by Exile View Post
      I would need to see a lot of proof before I believe that.

      Do you have an example? Please post it in a new thread for discussion.

      Matt
      No i dont have an example but there is an example on marktplaats
      http://www.marktplaats.nl/a/verzamel...reviousPage=lr

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        #33
        Originally posted by stahlhelmM40 View Post
        No i dont have an example but there is an example on marktplaats
        http://www.marktplaats.nl/a/verzamel...reviousPage=lr
        That cross looks like a '24' to me.

        That would explain the mistake reading the mark (24 vs. 84).

        Matt

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          #34
          Originally posted by Exile View Post
          That cross looks like a '24' to me.

          That would explain the mistake reading the mark (24 vs. 84).

          Matt
          Ah right now i get it. Sorry

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            #35
            5 Hermann Wernstein Jena-Lobstedt ??? I HAVE ONE!!!!!

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              #36
              Hi Rodrigo

              Please open new thread -and show us

              Originally posted by wermacht 1939 View Post
              5 Hermann Wernstein Jena-Lobstedt ??? I HAVE ONE!!!!!

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                #37
                Yes .... interested to see that one .

                Douglas

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                  #38
                  Hello, for me the 333 punched pieces fakes
                  Greeting fledermaus1945

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                    #39
                    New update: just moved the "Round-3 Thick Frame" into the Deschler column after new evidence confirms them as the maker. Also minor changes.

                    Please let me know if something is missing from this list!

                    More links to photos to come as time permits.

                    Current as of 23 July 2014

                    Deschler & Sohn 1
                    • B-Type/Prototype (1)(2o,2r)(3)(4)(5)(6)(7)
                    • Round-3 "Thick Frame" variant -- new photos from the book "Deschler Fotos" confirm Deschler also made this type of Round-3
                    • Round-3 "Deschler Frame" variant (1o,1r)(2o,2r)(3o,3r) -- this type has Deschler's very typical LDO frame, used for the first time.
                    • unmarked
                    • marked "1"


                    C.E. Juncker 2
                    • WFS frame (non-mag. WFS core)
                    • WFS frame (mag. WFS core)
                    • crunch-bead frame (non-mag. WFS core)
                    • crunch bead frame (mag., Juncker core) aka "full Juncker"
                    • crunch bead frame (mag., W&L core)
                    • crunch bead frame (mag., L/12 marked) (1)
                    • common L/12 type frame (marked L/12)
                    • long flaw frame (mag., "small RK" core)
                    • small frame


                    Wilhelm Deumer 3
                    • Schinkel (mag.)
                    • Schinkel (non-mag.)
                    • unmarked
                    • marked 3
                    • marked L/11


                    Steinhauer & Lück 4
                    • unmarked
                    • marked 4
                    • marked L/16
                    • marked 4 and L/16


                    Fritz Zimmermann 6
                    • thin beading frame unmarked, slim date numerals core
                    • thin beading frame marked 6.
                    • fat beading frame marked 6.


                    Paul Meybauer 7
                    • Schinkel glossy paint
                    • Schinkel matte paint
                    • unmarked
                    • marked 7
                    • marked L/13
                    • marked 7 and L/13


                    Grossmann & Co. 11
                    • unmarked
                    • marked 11


                    Frank & Reif 12
                    • Ubergroße (unmarked)
                    • Ubergroße "Little Brother" (unmarked)


                    Gustav Brehmer 13
                    • unmarked
                    • marked 13


                    L. Christian Lauer 14
                    • unmarked
                    • marked 14


                    Friedrich Orth 15
                    • unmarked
                    • marked 15


                    Alois Rettenmaier 16
                    • unmarked
                    • marked 16


                    E. Ferd Weidmann 19
                    • unmarked
                    • marked 19


                    Gebrüder Godet 21
                    • unmarked early frame type
                    • marked 21 later frame type


                    Boerger & Co. 22
                    • unmarked
                    • marked 22


                    Arbeitsgemeinschaft für Heeresbedarf in der Graveur- und Ziselierinnung 23
                    • unmarked
                    • marked 23 with 23 core
                    • marked 23 Meybauer core


                    Arbeitsgemeinschaft der Hanauer Plakettenhersteller 24
                    • unmarked
                    • unmarked with ancillary mark on jumping: (list needed)
                    • marked 24
                    • marked 24 with ancillary mark on jumping: (list needed)


                    Arbeitsgemeinschaft der Graveur-, Gold- und Silberschemiedeinnungen 25
                    • unmarked
                    • marked 25


                    B.H. Mayer
                    • Schinkel (unmarked) (1)
                    • unmarked (Schinkel core/LDO frame) (1)
                    • unmarked (regular Mayer core/LDO frame) (1)
                    • marked L/18


                    Anton Schenkl's Nachf. (Maria Schenkl) 27
                    • unmarked with # frame
                    • marked 27 with # frame
                    • marked 27 with standard frame


                    F.W. Assmann & Söhne 35
                    • Schinkel (non-mag) (this cross may also be L/54 or Friedrich Linden) (1)
                    • Schinkel (mag) (this cross may also be L/54 or Friedrich Linden)


                    Berg & Nolte 40
                    • unmarked
                    • marked 40


                    Jakob Bengel 44
                    • unmarked
                    • marked 44


                    Gottlieb & Wagner 52
                    • unmarked
                    • marked 52


                    J.E. Hammer & Söhne
                    • unmarked
                    • marked 55


                    Robert Hauschild 56
                    • unmarked
                    • marked 56 core A (1)
                    • marked 56 core B (1o,1r)


                    Katz & Deyhle 60
                    • unmarked
                    • marked 60


                    Klein & Quenzer A.G. 65
                    • unmarked core A
                    • marked 65 core A
                    • marked 65 core B
                    • marked 65 core C


                    Friedrich Keller 66
                    • marked 66


                    75 (Unknown Maker)
                    • unmarked
                    • marked 75


                    Ernst L. Müller 76
                    • unmarked
                    • marked 76


                    Paulmann & Crone 86
                    • unmarked (non-mag)
                    • unmarked (mag)


                    Richard Simm & Söhne 93
                    • marked 93


                    Rudolf Souval 98
                    • unmarked
                    • marked 98
                    • marked L/58


                    Rudolf Wächtler & Lange 100
                    • unmarked
                    • marked 100
                    • marked L55


                    Brüder Schneider 106
                    • marked 106


                    Walter & Henlein 109
                    • unmarked


                    Hermann Aurich 113
                    • unmarked
                    • marked 113


                    Funke & Brunninghaus 116
                    • unmarked
                    • marked L/56


                    Franz Petzl 120
                    • unmarked
                    • marked 120


                    J.J. Stahl 122
                    • marked 122


                    Beck, Hassinger & Co. 123
                    • marked 123
                    • marked [123]


                    Eugen Gauss 125
                    • marked 125


                    Moritz Hausch A.G. 127
                    • unmarked (1)(2)


                    S. Jablonski G.m.b.H. 128
                    • marked 128


                    Franz Reischauer 132
                    • marked 132


                    J.H. Werner 137
                    • marked 137


                    Julius Maurer 138
                    • marked 138


                    Schauerte & Hohfeld 140
                    • Schinkel (non-mag) (this cross may also be by Assmann or Friedrich Linden) (1)
                    • Schinkel (mag) (this cross may also be by Assmann or Friedrich Linden)
                    • unmarked
                    • marked L/54


                    Otto Schickle L/15
                    • Schinkel one-piece (mag)
                    • Schinkel one-piece (non-mag)
                    • unmarked (mag.)
                    • unmarked (non-mag.)
                    • marked L/15 (mag.)
                    • marked L/15 (non-mag.)


                    Petz & Lorenz (no number known)
                    • one-piece unmarked


                    Unknown Makers
                    • Round-3 beveled-edge frame
                    • Round-3 swas-on-pedestal, pebbled core surface (possible Deschler in my opinion)
                    • Straight-9 Schinkel
                    • Unknown Maker Schinkel (1)(2)(3)(4)(5)
                    • "Lug" variant (1)
                    • "Lug" variant marked Z or 2
                    • "Odd Date" variant
                    • "8" variant (1)(2) NB: this cross is not necessarily manufactured by maker 8; it just doesn't have another name.
                    • "Straight-Arm" variant (1)
                    • Spanish-made (various types)
                    Best regards,
                    Streptile

                    Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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                      #40
                      mm 129

                      Sir,

                      I have a mm "129" EK II Klasse, and have been informed that it is constructed by parts from S&L?

                      I have the thread below; if correct it doesn't appear on your list (understandable as the maker was PKZ registered but not a maker of EK in the early years)

                      http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=751982

                      comments and advice welcome, thank you in advance

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                        #41
                        good job

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                          #42
                          New update: Added a Juncker variant ("common L/12" frame, unmarked); moved "small frame Juncker" into Unknown Makers for lack of evidence; same with "long flaw Juncker," and added a note linking the latter to the Lug variant. Added notes about Lug and Long Flaw core types.

                          Please let me know if something is missing from this list!

                          More links to photos to come as time permits.

                          Current as of 19 Nov 2014

                          Deschler & Sohn 1
                          • B-Type/Prototype (1)(2o,2r)(3)(4)(5)(6)(7)
                          • Round-3 "Thick Frame" variant
                          • Round-3 "Deschler Frame" variant (1o,1r)(2o,2r)(3o,3r)
                          • unmarked
                          • marked "1"


                          C.E. Juncker 2
                          • WFS frame (non-mag. WFS core)
                          • WFS frame (mag. WFS core)
                          • crunch-bead frame (non-mag. WFS core)
                          • crunch bead frame (mag., Juncker core) aka "full Juncker"
                          • crunch bead frame (mag., W&L core)
                          • crunch bead frame (mag., L/12 marked) (1)
                          • common L/12 type frame (unmarked)
                          • common L/12 type frame (marked L/12)


                          Wilhelm Deumer 3
                          • Schinkel (mag.)
                          • Schinkel (non-mag.)
                          • unmarked
                          • marked 3
                          • marked L/11


                          Steinhauer & Lück 4
                          • unmarked
                          • marked 4
                          • marked L/16
                          • marked 4 and L/16


                          Fritz Zimmermann 6
                          • thin beading frame unmarked, slim date numerals core
                          • thin beading frame marked 6.
                          • fat beading frame marked 6.


                          Paul Meybauer 7
                          • Schinkel glossy paint
                          • Schinkel matte paint
                          • unmarked
                          • marked 7
                          • marked L/13
                          • marked 7 and L/13


                          Grossmann & Co. 11
                          • unmarked
                          • marked 11


                          Frank & Reif 12
                          • Ubergroße (unmarked)
                          • Ubergroße "Little Brother" (unmarked)


                          Gustav Brehmer 13
                          • unmarked
                          • marked 13


                          L. Christian Lauer 14
                          • unmarked
                          • marked 14


                          Friedrich Orth 15
                          • unmarked
                          • marked 15


                          Alois Rettenmaier 16
                          • unmarked
                          • marked 16


                          E. Ferd Weidmann 19
                          • unmarked
                          • marked 19


                          Gebrüder Godet 21
                          • unmarked early frame type
                          • unmarked later frame type
                          • marked 21 later frame type


                          Boerger & Co. 22
                          • unmarked
                          • marked 22


                          Arbeitsgemeinschaft für Heeresbedarf in der Graveur- und Ziselierinnung 23
                          • unmarked
                          • marked 23 with 23 core
                          • marked 23 Meybauer core


                          Arbeitsgemeinschaft der Hanauer Plakettenhersteller 24
                          • unmarked
                          • unmarked with ancillary mark on jumping: (list needed)
                          • marked 24
                          • marked 24 with ancillary mark on jumping: (list needed)


                          Arbeitsgemeinschaft der Graveur-, Gold- und Silberschemiedeinnungen 25
                          • unmarked
                          • marked 25


                          B.H. Mayer
                          • Schinkel (unmarked) (1)
                          • unmarked (Schinkel core/LDO frame) (1)
                          • unmarked (regular Mayer core/LDO frame) (1)
                          • marked L/18


                          Anton Schenkl's Nachf. (Maria Schenkl) 27
                          • unmarked with # frame
                          • marked 27 with # frame
                          • marked 27 with standard frame


                          F.W. Assmann & Söhne 35
                          • Schinkel (non-mag) (this cross may also be L/54 or Friedrich Linden) (1)
                          • Schinkel (mag) (this cross may also be L/54 or Friedrich Linden)


                          Berg & Nolte 40
                          • unmarked
                          • marked 40


                          Jakob Bengel 44
                          • unmarked
                          • marked 44


                          Gottlieb & Wagner 52
                          • unmarked
                          • marked 52


                          J.E. Hammer & Söhne
                          • unmarked
                          • marked 55


                          Robert Hauschild 56
                          • unmarked
                          • marked 56 core A (1)
                          • marked 56 core B (1o,1r)


                          Katz & Deyhle 60
                          • unmarked
                          • marked 60


                          Klein & Quenzer A.G. 65
                          • unmarked core A
                          • marked 65 core A
                          • marked 65 core B
                          • marked 65 core C


                          Friedrich Keller 66
                          • marked 66


                          75 (Unknown Maker)
                          • unmarked
                          • marked 75


                          Ernst L. Müller 76
                          • unmarked
                          • marked 76


                          Paulmann & Crone 86
                          • unmarked (non-mag)
                          • unmarked (mag)


                          Richard Simm & Söhne 93
                          • marked 93


                          Rudolf Souval 98
                          • unmarked
                          • marked 98
                          • marked L/58


                          Rudolf Wächtler & Lange 100
                          • unmarked
                          • marked 100
                          • marked L55


                          Brüder Schneider 106
                          • marked 106


                          Walter & Henlein 109
                          • unmarked


                          Hermann Aurich 113
                          • unmarked
                          • marked 113


                          Funke & Brunninghaus 116
                          • unmarked
                          • marked L/56


                          Franz Petzl 120
                          • unmarked
                          • marked 120


                          J.J. Stahl 122
                          • marked 122


                          Beck, Hassinger & Co. 123
                          • marked 123
                          • marked [123]


                          Eugen Gauss 125
                          • marked 125


                          Moritz Hausch A.G. 127
                          • unmarked (1)(2)


                          S. Jablonski G.m.b.H. 128
                          • marked 128


                          Franz Reischauer 132
                          • marked 132


                          J.H. Werner 137
                          • marked 137


                          Julius Maurer 138
                          • marked 138


                          Schauerte & Hohfeld 140
                          • Schinkel (non-mag) (this cross may also be by Assmann or Friedrich Linden) (1)
                          • Schinkel (mag) (this cross may also be by Assmann or Friedrich Linden)
                          • unmarked
                          • marked L/54


                          Otto Schickle L/15
                          • Schinkel one-piece (mag)
                          • Schinkel one-piece (non-mag)
                          • unmarked (mag.)
                          • unmarked (non-mag.)
                          • marked L/15 (mag.)
                          • marked L/15 (non-mag.)


                          Petz & Lorenz (no number known)
                          • one-piece unmarked


                          Unknown Makers
                          • "Long Flaw" -- possible Juncker but unproven. This cross is also linked somehow (same maker? relationship between makers? Same supplier?) to the "Lug variant." Two cores known: "Small RK core" and "Juncker WFS" core.
                          • "Lug" unmarked (1). Three core types known: typical lug core as seen in photo 1, "small RK" core, and "Juncker WFS" core.
                          • "Lug" marked Z
                          • "Small Frame" Also a possible Juncker, this one uses Juncker's "WFS core" but has a different frame.
                          • Round-3 beveled-edge frame
                          • Round-3 swas-on-pedestal, pebbled core surface (possible Deschler in my opinion)
                          • Straight-9 Schinkel
                          • Unknown Maker Schinkel (1)(2)(3)(4)(5)
                          • "Odd Date" variant
                          • "8" variant (1)(2) NB: this cross is not necessarily manufactured by maker 8; it just doesn't have another name.
                          • "Straight-Arm" variant (1)
                          • Spanish-made (various types)
                          Best regards,
                          Streptile

                          Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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                            #43
                            How to make a message?

                            Guys i'm new to the forum and I really don't know how to post a new message or a new post. I've been searching every corned for some sort of post button but I can't find one. I'm trying to post a Heer Artillery Badge and asking you all if you think it's real or fake. Help me how do i post??????

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                              #44
                              Hi :
                              You have to be a paid member to post and in the correct area .

                              Douglas

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                                #45
                                Douglas 5, thank you for letting me know!

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