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[oldflagswanted]

NSDAP 1st & 2nd Eagle Pole Top Patterns ???

...Why do you refer to the M38 Political Pole Top eagle
as the "2nd model" when there was an M27 Political
Pole topper (I think this is the one you refer to as the
"first model"), followed by what ErichS refers to as the
M29 Political Pole Topper, and possibly the type "4" (generic)
shown by OFW (usually marked RZM- DRGM or RZM-5) that
may have also pre-dated the supposed "2nd model" ...
would this not make the 1938 Pole topper a model "3" or "4"?
Best Regards,
Michael

Hello Michael:
An interesting question. I see the "first model" NSDAP eagle as
having a flat body, wings straight out, and a saucer on the base,
i.e., example "B" in the posted 1935 flag company catalog chart.
I call the photo #4 eagle top "generic", as the wings are canted
down, and the base has an oval ball rather than a saucer - it is
also very seldom seen, in comparison to many 1st/2nd examples.
As such IMO the post #12 photo type #4 is a generic commercial
limited made product, & not one of the normally seen NSDAP eagle
pole tops (chart "B" & photo #12), so not counted as a pattern.
OFW

[mloppkit]

..............I see the "first model" NSDAP eagle as
having a flat body, wings straight out, and a saucer on the base,
i.e., example "B" in the posted 1935 flag company catalog chart.
I call the photo #4 eagle top "generic", as the wings are canted
down, and the base has an oval ball rather than a saucer -
..............OFW

Thank-you for your reply OFW, I agree that #4 is not as common as some of the other Flag Pole tops and have no problem with it being referred to as "generic".

I see things slightly differently in regards to the "first model" eagle as I think that the M27 & M29 eagles are quite different and should be referred to as such. Yes, the M27 you refer to has a "flat body, wings straight out, and a saucer on the base" but the M29 has a much rounder body, much higher detailing and outstretched wings that turn up at the ends, I differentiate this eagle as a "type 2" eagle thus making the M38 Aluminium eagle a "type 3" eagle.

I posted a nice "type 2" recently on this forum asking if it was seen as a "Pole Topper" as often as a desk & wall eagle and received numerous notifications suggesting that I watch Leni Riefenstahl's classic 1934 film "Triumph of the Will". I had indeed seen this film previously but failed to notice in the Albert Speer "Sea of Flags" scene numerous examples of both type "1 M27" & "2 M29" Pole tops, - indeed side by side in some scenes. Thank you to all who pointed this out to me and I apologise for not noticing prior to posting my question.

There seem to be fewer examples of the type "2" M29 pole top than the type "1" M27 around so I suspect it is in fact a scarcer eagle which could be the reason it isn't considered a Type "2" as often as I would have expected,

Best Regards,
Michael

[mloppkit]

A nice example of an M29 Pole Top eagle & a type "4" "generic" eagle that appears to have been period mounted on a marble base & Marked RZM - D.R.G.M & . Both are made of Nickel Plated Brass.

[mloppkit]

The Type 3 M38 (referred to by most as the 2nd model) Aluminium Pole Top Eagle, RZM stamped on base and a type 1 flat eagle from Leni Riefenstahl's film "Triumph of the Will"

[mloppkit]

Any Flag or flag Pole Topper fans out there should take another look at Leni Riefenstahl's epic as it is a absolute "Flag Fest". All the classics that OFW has posted earlier in this thread are there (NSBO, HJ, NSKB etc etc) as well as the type 1 & 2 previously mentioned and so so many D.E's........

[oldflagswanted]

1,2,3 ...and not the movie ;-)

...in regards to the "first model" eagle as I think that the M27 &
M29 eagles are quite different and should be referred to as such.
...Leni Riefenstahl's classic 1934 film "Triumph of the Will"...scene
numerous examples of both type "1 M27" & "2 M29" Pole tops...
Best Regards,
Michael

Hello Michael:
IMO some really wonderful posts - my bravo!
I am convinced, especially based on the "TOTW"
photo capture evidence - again superb. After 40+
years of collecting, it is always fun to learn more.
Just why I like doing and reading WAF postings.

(below) From the funny Hollywood Coke movie "1,2,3"
...................Schlemmer !!!

[mrec27777]

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would this be considered a 1st pattern? has more pointed win tips ,saucer is smaller ... EC

[oldflagswanted]

NSDAP eagle top type "1b" ???

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would this be considered a 1st pattern? has
more pointed win tips ,saucer is smaller ... EC

Hello EC:
WOW IMO a nice 1st pattern variation.
Maybe we will have to call it a type "1b".
You know we are making this up as we go.
OFW
(below) Nazi saucer configurations ???