Odal Rune Silver Broach

[Steve T]

Does anyone know what these are/for? Thanks.

[Br. James]

Hi Steve, and thanks for bringing these pins to our attention -- pins which I for one have never seen before! The two pins are different, of course, the one in the photo having a larger odal rune and not including oak leaves; I can't tell whether the pin in the photo has a swastika on a chain attached to it. A photo of the reverse of the pin and swas might be helpful. The wording, written in runic-style script, is German for "I serve" and, considering the photo of a German soldier in uniform with what may be his wife, girlfriend or sister, perhaps this is the logo of an organization of wives and/or family members of those serving in the military -- and here, the "I serve" might indicate service given through the support of a loved one in military service. Just a guess, of course, but I too would like to know if anyone else has seen or has information about this unusual pin.

Br. James

[Steve T]

Hi Steve, and thanks for bringing these pins to our attention -- pins which I for one have never seen before! The two pins are different, of course, the one in the photo having a larger odal rune and not including oak leaves; I can't tell whether the pin in the photo has a swastika on a chain attached to it. A photo of the reverse of the pin and swas might be helpful. The wording, written in runic-style script, is German for "I serve" and, considering the photo of a German soldier in uniform with what may be his wife, girlfriend or sister, perhaps this is the logo of an organization of wives and/or family members of those serving in the military -- and here, the "I serve" might indicate service given through the support of a loved one in military service. Just a guess, of course, but I too would like to know if anyone else has seen or has information about this unusual pin.

Br. James

Yes, different broaches. The inscription on the one the lady in the picture wears looks like it matches a piece posted by TobyR last year. ( http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...t=Youth&page=8 )

The 800 silver swastika I don't think is related to the broach, it just came with broach along with the picture from the same family according to seller so he just put it on the chain for safe keeping.

I'll post the reverse when I get a chance, its just has the owner name and maker marked 'W.KRÖGER 800'

[Steve T]

Hi Steve, and thanks for bringing these pins to our attention -- pins which I for one have never seen before! The two pins are different, of course, the one in the photo having a larger odal rune and not including oak leaves; I can't tell whether the pin in the photo has a swastika on a chain attached to it. A photo of the reverse of the pin and swas might be helpful. The wording, written in runic-style script, is German for "I serve" and, considering the photo of a German soldier in uniform with what may be his wife, girlfriend or sister, perhaps this is the logo of an organization of wives and/or family members of those serving in the military -- and here, the "I serve" might indicate service given through the support of a loved one in military service. Just a guess, of course, but I too would like to know if anyone else has seen or has information about this unusual pin.

Br. James

Yes, different broaches. The inscription on the one the lady in the picture wears looks like it matches a piece posted by TobyR last year. ( http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...t=Youth&page=8 )

The 800 silver swastika I don't think is related to the broach, it just came with broach along with the picture from the same family according to seller so he just put it on the chain for safe keeping.

I'll post the reverse when I get a chance, its just has the owner name and maker marked 'W.KRÖGER 800'

I'm wondering if there were other grades, levels of merit due to the oakleaves which are sometime used to signify grade, something like no leaves, two leaves then three leaves, as in the Schützenabzeichen der SS-VT. Pure conjecture of course

[Br. James]

Thanks Steve. What is the number of that note from TobyR?

Br. James

[Steve T]

Thanks Steve. What is the number of that note from TobyR?

Br. James

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...&postcount=318

[Steve T]

Forgot, I have the shots already.

Safety pin is also 800 marked.

[Br. James]

Thanks Steve, and thanks for linking me to the TobyR note. Sorry to say that neither the reverse of your badge is helpful to me -- though it looks like it is engraved with the owner's name -- nor is the inscription on the one that TobyR shared with us previously. I couldn't make any sense out of the writing; perhaps it's not German at all, but Danish or some other Nordic language? Stumps me, but it's an attractive piece!

Br. James

[Steve T]

Thanks Steve, and thanks for linking me to the TobyR note. Sorry to say that neither the reverse of your badge is helpful to me -- though it looks like it is engraved with the owner's name -- nor is the inscription on the one that TobyR shared with us previously. I couldn't make any sense out of the writing; perhaps it's not German at all, but Danish or some other Nordic language? Stumps me, but it's an attractive piece!

Br. James

The name reads M. Frahm and the maker is W. KRÖGER. I'm sure its German, I've seen KRÖGER on 30's German silverware, plates, jugs etc.

[Steve T]

Thanks Steve, and thanks for linking me to the TobyR note. Sorry to say that neither the reverse of your badge is helpful to me -- though it looks like it is engraved with the owner's name -- nor is the inscription on the one that TobyR shared with us previously. I couldn't make any sense out of the writing; perhaps it's not German at all, but Danish or some other Nordic language? Stumps me, but it's an attractive piece!

Br. James

On mine the name reads M. Frahm. I'm fairly sure its German, I've seen KRÖGER on 30's German silverware, plates, jugs etc.

'Dat land ob dat wie stoht in heili land' is Plattdeutsch old West Germanic Deutsch. KRÖGER also made the same badge as TobyR shows, which also adds to my thoughts that the no oakleaves and this one of mine may be for same organisation, possibly different grade?

[Steve T]

Just found the picture of the Kröger version of TobyR's badge. The Kröger version of this badge matches the one in the photograph I show above.

The lady in the picture apparently owned the photograph, the silver swastika and the two-oakleaf rune badge. Maybe she had two grades of it from this same maker.

[Steve T]

Just found the picture of the Kröger version of TobyR's badge. The Kröger version of this badge matches the one in the photograph I show above.

The lady in the picture apparently owned the photograph, the silver swastika and the two-oakleaf rune badge. Maybe she had two grades of it from this same maker.

Close up of photograph above, showing the form and script of AJ's Kröger broach.

[Br. James]

Thanks for clarifying the words of the inscription, Steve; I wasn't aware that my computerized translation program is unable to work with Plattdeutsch...until now!

There seem to be a number of examples of grades/versions of this badge in collections, though no one has yet shown any light onto the organization it represented. I hope that happens as it is an interesting piece.

Br. James

[cemifor]

Sorry if this is total off topic, but I thought it could be interesting to someone, and it explains another use of the words "Ich Dien"

Ich Dien (German: I serve) was the motto under the plume of ostrich feathers found in the helmet of the king of Bohemia slain at the Battle of Cressy, at which he served as a volunteer in the French army, in 1346.

Edward the Black Prince, in respect to his father, Edward III , who commanded at the battle, adopted the motto which has since been borne with the feathers, by the heirs to the crown of England (Prince of Wales).

See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_...s%27s_feathers

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[Capt. R]

another period photo of an odal rune brooch

Found and purchased this one. You can see the script and the chain. Sorry for having to watermark this one. There may be identification on the back but it is difficult to read.