I bought this from estand for a dealer mate.
He's just told me it's a fake. Is he correct?
Thanks, Mike.
He's just told me it's a fake. Is he correct?
Thanks, Mike.
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about NSKOV tops ???
Hello Mike:Originally posted by Mike Swan View Post
IMO, based on poor casting detail
and odd looking screw on pole adaptor.
OFW
(below-left) some "correct" NSKOV examples ...
(below-right) desired NSKOV base marking.
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OFW,
Thanks for the photos.....and bad news.
It's a pity the problem wasn't noticed while on estand.
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For The Record...
I am the "dealer" source of the NSKOV pole-top that Mike has posted a picture of. I never claimed that it was a fake and I fail to see the purpose of a silly statement like that.
This particular pole-top came from an impeccable private source (non-dealer / non-collector) in Buchanan, Virginia in January 2012 and I am 100% sure that it is a genuine pre-1945 article. In fact, OFW, this NSKOV pole-top came from the same exact veteran family source as HJ Bannfahne # 99 (I think that you remember that one, heh?)
OFW's thumbs-down emoticon means that he does not like it - and he is certainly entitled to express his opinion - but I do not accept this solitary comment as the final verdict regarding the authenticity of this item.
Let's see some more & better pictures, Mike, and let's solicit several more opinions from fellow forum members and we'll see where this story goes. (If you don't have additional pics to post, I still have some.)Comment
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Greg,
You've misunderstood my statement. I bought it for a dealer mate down here and he identified it as a fake. I do some buying for him as he's too busy to trawl the internet.
I just wanted a further informed opinion as I don't get the opportunity to handle these items.
I deliberately didn't mention you as I don't believe public disagreements are very helpful to either party.
Further photos would be greatly appreciated if you wish.
MikeLast edited by Mike Swan; 07-01-2013, 01:18 AM.Comment
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i saw this poletop ,when it was on the e-stand ,and did not like it based on pics ...the polecup is odd and looks like nothing i have ever seen on this type topper ..i think further pics are definately in order ,and if it is screwed together ,it should be taken apart and photograghed..
EC
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Misunderstanding
Yes, I misunderstood. Sorry about that, Mike. I mistakenly thought you wrote: "I bought this from estand from a dealer mate." My bad.
I still have five pictures of the NSKOV pole-top on my hard drive. I will post them here shortly.
Originally posted by Mike Swan View PostLast edited by GREG E.; 07-01-2013, 10:13 AM.Comment
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NSKOV Poletop - disassembled
The pole adaptor may be regarded as "odd" by some people (not me) but the precision craftsmanship of the fitment is undeniable. Mike will confirm this.Last edited by GREG E.; 07-01-2013, 10:13 AM.Comment
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While I have not closely studied the NSKOV pole top -- which this piece is -- there are a few observations that can be made from the pix provided by Mike and OFW. The piece Mike has shown us appears to be in nearly mint condition, though the casting of the aluminum piece does display vague characteristics normally associated with copies made from originals and not from original molds. The pole sleeve on Mike's piece is more ornate than the one OFW shows us; perhaps this means that the two pieces were made by different manufacturers? OFW's example carries not only the name of the early and quite prestigious metalwork firm of Otto Gahr and his wife, Ana, but it also bears the patent notice of "Ges. gesch." -- and this is significant. If this piece was patented by the Gahr firm, then the design would have been 'set in stone' and no other firm could have made variant copies of this pole top. We cannot see any maker's mark on Mike's piece to know of its origin.
It would be hard to believe that the NS War Victim's Care organization -- a hold-over from WWI, though 're-baptized' with an overarching Nazi name -- would have needed a selection of pole tops made available from a number of different suppliers...but more surprising things took place...
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NSKOV Poletop Close-Ups
Two more pics...Comment
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NSKOV Poletop - last one
This is the last close-up pic that I still have...Comment
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The sword/dagger blade on the topper up for discussion does not seem to have a central ridge running through it. Is that significant? Or just a different manufacturer's variation?Comment
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ok ..here"s my assestment ..REPRODUCTION .... no ridge on blade ..patina on "odd" pole cup doesn"t even come close to matching topper (looks like it was made yesterday,not 70+ years ogo) ....bad casting on topper ...look clsely at it ....this is only my oppinion ..that"s all .... EC
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No More Input ?
I am disappointed that there has not been more participation in this thread.
With a view to keeping the subject alive for a little while longer, can any fellow forum members (besides OFW) post pictures of another / different original NSKOV example?
Alternatively, can any forum members post pictures of a known reproduction of this item? I'd be really curious to see those! The NSKOV pole-top just seems like such an unlikely choice for con-artists.
What about the possibility that this pole-top was somehow discovered unfinished and then put-together by some enterprising Germans catering to souvenir-hungry GI's in the immediate post-war months? Just an idea...Comment
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more about NSKOV tops ???
Originally posted by GREG E. View PostOriginally posted by GREG E. View Post
GE:
There exists an earlier version with double strap legs.
Likewise, the NSKOV being mostly a flat 2D design, IMO
makes it an easy target for reproduction, without base.
Yet a recent Reddick example includes the correct base.
As the Gahr design has a weak point at sword hilt area,
I initially thought maybe your example had been broken
and repaired with a new machine turned base. But the
lower casting quality of the sword/wreath part makes it
appear suspect too IMO.
OFW
(below) Earlier pre-Gahr design NSKOV top with legs.
(below-2) Current online repro NSKOV top $32 listing.sigpic
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