My new IAB

[Angel Farré]

opinions?


Angel

[Angel Farré]

reverse

Angel

[Philippe DB]

Hi Angel,

Looks like a good F&R/BH Mayer design hollow zinc IAB to me.

Don't think I have ever before seen one of these with a round wire catch.

KR
Philippe

[Philippe DB]

Correction,

Found this in my files so yours is the second one with round wire catch I have ever seen

So far for round wire catches being early on these badges

The more I think about it the more I'm getting convinced that besides F&R and BH Mayer this design was used by other companies aswell.

KR
Philippe

[Angel Farré]

Thanks Philippe, that's what I call a first rate service. Now it will be catal******241;ogued as an unmarked IAB, posible F&R/BH Meyer.

Thanks

Angel

[Graeme]

Hi Angel

Very nice details on your badge

As Philippe suggested, identifying these badges, and this is true for me anyway, is quite difficult.
Recently I searched the forum for clues and came away with eye strain. I believe there was a thread (don't hold me to this) that mentioned that if the left arm of the swas was angled, which yours looks to be, it might be an F&R, but since then I have seen quite a few badges that appear to have this feature.??

Anyway nice addition

regards

GRaeme

[Andreas Klein]

Hello Graeme,

the key to distinguish a hollow B.H. Mayer IAB from a hollow F&R IAB is the design of the bayonet. Have a look at the following F&R bayonet and compare it with B.H. Mayer ....

[Philippe DB]

Hello Graeme,

the key to distinguish a hollow B.H. Mayer IAB from a hollow F&R IAB is the design of the bayonet. Have a look at the following F&R bayonet and compare it with B.H. Mayer ....

ak if it was that simple how do you explain the existance of L/18 marked IAB's featuring this Bayonet or for that matter marked L/18 GAB's and unmarked BH Mayer PAB's featuring the hardware found on F&R marked badges?

KR
Philippe

[Andreas Klein]

Hello Phillipe, i've never seen an L/18 marked IAB with this bayonet. The few L/18 marked IAB i've seen on photos are all typical B.H. Mayer IABs. Example: http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ght=l%2F18+iab

So it would be nice to see photos from L/18 marked IABs with the bayonet shown above.

The bayonet is only one point, there are several flaws on these hollow IABs which are the same as on the massive marked Frank & Reif IAB.

[Philippe DB]

Hi Ak,

Here is Franks example

[Philippe DB]

and the reverse

Ak could you maybe highlight some of the flaws your mentioning.

I think when you focus on the right lower oakleave next to the wreathband on a marked F&R IAB you would agree with me that this badge most likely couldn't have come out of the same die as the BM hollow badges.

KR
Philippe

[Philippe DB]

Here is the marked F&R with the completely different oakleaf design

[Philippe DB]

And this is an unmarked example that matches the BM design you call F&R perfectly. Not only that it also shares the set-up found on the pin marked L/18 IAB's and GAB's and PAB's.

KR
Philippe

[Philippe DB]

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[Andreas Klein]

Hello Philippe,

all the badges you show are IMO from F&R- you are right. The big question mark ist the hollow IAB from Frank, but i would call it a "mistake". Perhaps B.H. Mayer sold some of the F&R badges under their label ?

It's the same with my "20" marked RK GAB or the "A" marked GAB from an unknown maker (both are in Frank's book). No one can explain it at the moment .....

The same goes with the L/14 marked hollow FLL IAB and the L/50 marked S&L IAB.

To the oak leaf: we can find the different oak leaf only between the hollow and massive IAB, perhaps another die is the reason. Look at the Ernst M******252;ller IAB and their different oak leaf design.