Juncker or W&L

[schönbeck]

Some crosshatcing on the front and more on the reverse.

[baldy1939]

W&L cross

[Douglas 5]

The bead features have been touched up ..as much as I can tell .
Regardless of that , the lower right inside corner , something that cannot be changed, points to Juncker . Any of the 3 frame flaws on the cross and any full pictures ?

Douglas

[Darrell]

W&L cross

Nope.

[schönbeck]

here is a pic of the entire cross. Sorry for the bad photo, I have only the buld as a light source and it gives the cross a somewhat not fair look.

[Douglas 5]

Well thanks ;
That made all the difference . . Corners are even , ... first picture was turned a bit making the top corners look uneven ., which they are not . This is a W&L cross with the corner webbing and reworked front die . Hard to tell about the core ... the big hook on the 3 ??? and the high ball on the 3 ??? 65 maybe ? Tim K here may have one like yours .

Douglas

[baldy1939]

Nope.

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[ApathyL]

here is a W&L which is also marked #100.

Cheers, Les.

[Douglas 5]

Nice cross;
What you indicating with the red circles ?

Douglas

[ApathyL]

The red circles show the basic features of a W&L Ek. Here is an EK1. W&L. The cross which started the thread, 100% not W&L.

regards, Les.

[Douglas 5]

Hi Les :
As far as the cross goes that started here I disagree , it is 100% a W&L EK . The crunch bead is one good destinquishing feature amongst many others . The top right corner flaw is not a consistant flaw and best not used for determination purpose , as some 100 marked EKs have it and some do not .
The 'crunched bead ' and corner webbing comparison : Juncker - W&L .
Douglas

[Tim K.]

I think this is the cross of mine which Douglas is remembering. I see some similarities, but some differences as well.

[Tim K.]

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[Darrell]

Hi Les :
.....The top right corner flaw is not a consistant flaw and best not used for determination purpose , as some 100 marked EKs have it and some do not .
Douglas

Really? That's news to me.

This is a W&L cross with the corner webbing and reworked front die .
Douglas

This is news to me as well. Reworked Die? Where did that theory come about?

[Douglas 5]

Morning All :
Knowing this would be questioned I have put together this comparison ;
Both EK2s are from the same W&L frame die and marked 100 . And both have the same center wider crunch bead flaw . The left cross does not have this top inside right bead anomely - the right one does . Besides that both have different core types , left one regular frosting and right one Rhodium frostng . Right one small hump with normal jump ring and left one has large hump with thick jump ring . Nothing simple with these crosses .
The majorty of crosses with this frame have this upper right inside bead corner anomely . From looking at crosses at hand , IMO the beading was struck fully and it is only 'curled under' ? ... leaving a small residue wedge of unstruck metal behind . The view straight from the top does not show this properly at all .

Douglas