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    Nickle/siver vs. Aluminum SS officers buckless

    Can someone tell me the difference between nickle/silver SS officers buckles and their aluminum counterparts. What is the difference in price between a minty SS officers nickle/silver and its aluminum counterpart. Is there really that much of a difference in scarcity of NS vs aluminum. I would think the Aluminum would be more associated with the early Waffen SS and NS with Allgemeine SS. Just needing a little background fellas as what I pulled up on search really was not helpfull......Thanks alot Jimmy
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    Originally posted by VIPER View Post
    Can someone tell me the difference between nickle/silver SS officers buckles and their aluminum counterparts. What is the difference in price between a minty SS officers nickle/silver and its aluminum counterpart. Is there really that much of a difference in scarcity of NS vs aluminum. I would think the Aluminum would be more associated with the early Waffen SS and NS with Allgemeine SS. Just needing a little background fellas as what I pulled up on search really was not helpfull......Thanks alot Jimmy

    Hello Jimmy,

    SS off. buckles by nickel are for sure scarcer then alu ones and it mainly depends on the quantity manufactured : I'm sure JP will offer more info about.

    Best

    Ric

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      The SS-VT (former Waffen-SS) was up and running by 1937. Latest SS buckles made of nickel silver were manufactured in 1936. This is the reason why we say nickel silver SS buckles were made for or worn by the Allgemeine SS. But if time frame for manufacture is accurate, it is another story for wear. Many nickel silver buckles were worn until the very last days of the war by all formations of the SS.

      Regarding which ones are rarer, or at least more difficult to find, it is logical to say the nickel silvers are. The increasing number of SS personnal over the years (and so their officers) is just the reason. But putting all SS officer buckles (NS or aluminum) at the same level is absolutely non sense. As Ric pointed, in each category some are much rarer than others. As an example a nickel silver marked 35/36 is very common when one unmarked or marked O&C Ges.gesch. (with capital G at Ges.) is very rare. Same does apply to the aluminum ones: marked 36/40 or 36/39 Type 2 are very common when 36/37 and 36/39 Type 1 are rare to very rare! An aluminum 36/39 Type 1 is much rarer than a nickel silver 35/36!

      But of course when money talks everything becomes rare
      Jean Pierre Redeuilh
      All my collection of SS Buckles is for sale. Contact jpredeu@rogers.com for inquiries

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        Originally posted by Jean Pierre Redeuilh View Post
        ....But of course when money talks everything becomes rare

        .......unfortunately

        Ric

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          Mine is a near mint 36/37 Aluminum. Where would that fall on the rarity scale......Regards Jimmy

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            Originally posted by VIPER View Post
            Mine is a near mint 36/37 Aluminum. Where would that fall on the rarity scale......Regards Jimmy
            In order very common to very rare:
            * 36/39 Type 2 & 36/40
            * 36/38
            * 36/37
            * 36/39 Type 1
            * 257/xx (SS buckle ONLY - NOT Police buckles - Can be said extremely rare)
            Jean Pierre Redeuilh
            All my collection of SS Buckles is for sale. Contact jpredeu@rogers.com for inquiries

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              Originally posted by Jean Pierre Redeuilh View Post
              In order very common to very rare:
              * 36/39 Type 2 & 36/40
              * 36/38
              * 36/37
              * 36/39 Type 1
              * 257/xx (SS buckle ONLY - NOT Police buckles - Can be said extremely rare)
              I know this is probably a dumb question, but could someone post a couple of pictures showing the difference between Type one and type 2. Thanks Jimmy

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                Originally posted by VIPER View Post
                I know this is probably a dumb question, but could someone post a couple of pictures showing the difference between Type one and type 2. Thanks Jimmy
                It is not a dumb question since many collectors do not even know there is a Type 1 and a Type 2.
                I will post those photos tomorrow.
                Jean Pierre Redeuilh
                All my collection of SS Buckles is for sale. Contact jpredeu@rogers.com for inquiries

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                  Thanks JP.

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                    Originally posted by Jean Pierre Redeuilh View Post
                    It is not a dumb question since many collectors do not even know there is a Type 1 and a Type 2.
                    I will post those photos tomorrow.
                    JP..... Were the type 1 and 2 Overhoff SS officers made throughout the period or were they confined to a certain timeframe and made only in Aluminum............thanks again for your insight. How much would a nice leather belt with alluminum keeper go for, just the belt no buckle....Thanks Jimmy

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                      Originally posted by VIPER View Post
                      JP..... Were the type 1 and 2 Overhoff SS officers made throughout the period or were they confined to a certain timeframe and made only in Aluminum............thanks again for your insight. How much would a nice leather belt with alluminum keeper go for, just the belt no buckle....Thanks Jimmy
                      Both were made in 1939 and so both in aluminum. I named Type 1 the serie I believe to have been produced first and Type 2 the following serie made after during the same year.

                      Here is
                      Jean Pierre Redeuilh
                      All my collection of SS Buckles is for sale. Contact jpredeu@rogers.com for inquiries

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                        36/39 Type 1
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                        Jean Pierre Redeuilh
                        All my collection of SS Buckles is for sale. Contact jpredeu@rogers.com for inquiries

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                          Back of Type 1
                          Last edited by Jean Pierre Redeuilh; 03-15-2008, 01:00 PM.
                          Jean Pierre Redeuilh
                          All my collection of SS Buckles is for sale. Contact jpredeu@rogers.com for inquiries

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                            Jean Pierre Redeuilh
                            All my collection of SS Buckles is for sale. Contact jpredeu@rogers.com for inquiries

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                              Marking of Type 1. Notice it since it makes it the Type 1.
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                              All my collection of SS Buckles is for sale. Contact jpredeu@rogers.com for inquiries

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