Soldbuch/ Wehrpaß Question

[Matt L]

I'm curious if any of you Soldbuch/ Wehrpaß collectors out there might have one that belonged to a soldier whose Erkennungsmarke was:

'Jnf. Pz. Jäg. Ers. Kp. xxx'
'Jnf. Pz. Jäg. E. Kp. xxx'
'Jnf. Pz. Abw. Ers. Kp. xxx'
'Jnf. Gesch. Ers. Kp. xxx'
'J. G. Ers. Kp. xxx'
'Jnf. Pi. Ers. Kp. xxx'
'Jnf. Nachr. Ers. Kp. xxx'

or any unit that was 'Jnf. --- Ers. Kp. xxx' (of course the 'J' is an 'I'). I'm interested in what the first units soldiers from these units were posted to.

Thanks guys.

Matt

[Ian Jewison]

Hi Matt,

I have already discussed some of these with Chris via PM......I know I have the following at least and maybe more in my "still to be translated" pile:

I.G. Ers.Kp.255.
Inf.Gesch.Ers.Kp. 211
Inf.Pz.Abw.Ers.Kp.24
Inf.Pz.Jäg.Ers.Kp.112
Inf.(Pz.Abw.)Ers.Kp.71
Inf.M.G.Ers.Kp.454
Inf.Nachr.Ers.Kp.5
I.Nachr.Ers.Kp.269

Ian

[Chris Stewart]

Ian, if you don't mind, could you post which field units they went to?

[Ian Jewison]

Ian, if you don't mind, could you post which field units they went to?

Hi Chris, Matt

Here we are, most Ers.Kp. were based in the same location as the Inf.Ers.Rgt., so it is safe to assume that they came under these units for administration. However in the case that an Inf.Ers.Rgt. does not exist in that location they were allocated to the nearest Inf.Ers.Rgt.

I.G. Ers.Kp.255. - Löbau, Wehrkreis IV - Infanterie Regiment 382, WK IV
Inf.Gesch.Ers.Kp. 211 - Köln-Mülheim, WK VI - Infanterie Regiment 107, WK XII
Inf.Pz.Abw.Ers.Kp.24 - Chemnitz, WK IV - Infanterie Regiment 515, Döbeln, WK IV
Inf.Pz.Jäg.Ers.Kp.112 - Saarburg, WK XII - Artillerie Regiment 185, WK XII
Inf.(Pz.Abw.)Ers.Kp.71 - Hildesheim, WK XI - Panzer Regiment 203, WK XII
Inf.M.G.Ers.Kp.454 - Düsseldorf, WK VI - Infanterie-Regiment 454, WK VI
Inf.Nachr.Ers.Kp.5 - Mühlhausen, WK V - Divisions Bataillon 268, WK VII
I.Nachr.Ers.Kp.269 - Delmenhorst, Wehrkreis X - Infanterie Regiment 65, WK X

/Ian

[dphillipsd]

I have the following:

8 Schutz Ers. Komp. 471
Inf. Pi. Ers. Kp. 52
Inf Ers. Batl 18 Stabskompanie Bielefeld

[Gary T]

I have the following:

Inf. Ers. Kp. 213
I.G. Ers. Kp. 9
IG Ers. Kp. 207
IG Ers. Kp. 216
IG Ers. Kp. 239
IG Ers. Kp. 73
Inf. Ers. Pi. Kp. 212
Inf. Nachr. Ers. Kp. (mot.) 29
Inf. Nachr. Ers. Kp. 130
Inf. Nachr. Ers. Kp. 157
Inf. Nachr. Ers. Kp. 20<O</O
Inf. Nachr. Ers. Kp. 216
Inf. Nachr. Ers. Kp. 227
Inf. Nachr. Ers. Kp. 257
Inf. Nachr. Ers. Kp. 26
Inf. Nachr. Ers. Kp. 267
Inf. Nachr. Ers. Kp. 27 (x2)
Inf. Pi. Ers. Komp. 207
Inf. Pz. Abw. Ers. Kp. 10
Inf. Pz. Abw. Ers. Kp. 19
Inf. Pz. Abw. Ers. Kp. 216
Inf. Pz. Jg. Ers. Kp. 19
Inf. Pz. Jg. Ers. Kp. 25

Cheers,
Gary.

[Chris Stewart]

Gary,

Could you do the same as Ian and post their first field units?

And dphillipsd could you do the same for Inf. Pi. Ers. Kp. 52? The other two aren't the same format, as they have a kompanie designation and a battalion designation.

Cheers!

[Chris Stewart]

Matt,

I'm not sure, but I think just looking over Ian's I am getting a bad impression of our "work"

[Gary T]

Chris,

Will do, just give me some time as I've taken these from a database. It'll take me some time to dig the WPs out.

Generally however the signals men will find themselves in the Stabs of infantry regiments and batallions, the IG men in the 13./ Kp's of Inf Regt's, the Pz Jg in 14./ Kps and the pi's in the regimental pionier platoons. Usually the replacement unit number is the divisional number.

I also have three to men whose Erkennungsmarke is prefixed Inf. Ers. Reiter Zuge - you want me to include these as well?

Cheers,
Gary.

[Matt L]

I have the following:

8 Schutz Ers. Komp. 471
Inf. Pi. Ers. Kp. 52
Inf Ers. Batl 18 Stabskompanie Bielefeld

David- do you mean that these are 3 you have, or that one of the first two was posted to Stabskompanie Inf. Ers. Batl. 18?

I'm actually looking for the first field unit these men were posted to- your 8. Schutz. Ers. Komp. 471 and Inf. Pi. Ers. Kp. 52 are definitely what I'm looking for.

Matt

[Matt L]

Here we are, most Ers.Kp. were based in the same location as the Inf.Ers.Rgt.,

Ian- Do you say this because of information in the personal documents?

Matt

[Matt L]

Inf. Ers. Reiter Zuge - you want me to include these as well?

If it's not a lot of extra trouble Gary, sure.

Matt

[Ian Jewison]

Ian- Do you say this because of information in the personal documents?

Matt

Yes....I can check Tessin to see if there is any other reference.....soemtimes if you look under the location it will give you other units that were in that town that are not listed under Rgt., Btl., Abt. etc.

e.g.
I.D. Tag: Inf.Pz.Abw.Ers.Kp.24 Nr. 352
Date and Unit: 9.1.-26.2.1940 Infanterie Panzer Abwehr Ersatz Kompanie 24, <ST1Chemnitz.
</ST1Infanterie-Ersatz-Regiment 24, formed 26.8.1939 in Chemnitz, WK IV. 3.8.1941 transferred to Prague.
Structure: 1940: Inf.Ers.Btl. 102 Chemnitz, 394 Freiberg, 456 Freiberg, 475 Döbeln.

I.D. Tag: I.Nachr.Ers.Kp.269 Nr. 396
Date and Unit: 5.2.-26.4.1940 Infanterie Nachrichten Ersatz Kompanie 269, <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City><ST1Delmenhorst.</st1:City>
<st1:City></ST1</st1:City><st1:City>Infanterie-Ersatz-Regiment 269, formed 10.6.1940 in Delmenhorst, WK X. 7.11.1942 transferred to Nienburg.</ST1</st1:City>
Structure: 1940 Inf.Ers.Btl. 47 Lüneburg, 65 Delmenhorst, 377 Verden

/Ian

[Matt L]

Yes....I can check Tessin to see if there is any other reference.....soemtimes if you look under the location it will give you other units that were in that town that are not listed under Rgt., Btl., Abt. etc.

That's okay Ian- I have access to Tessin too, and the VMD CD-ROM and a copy of The Replacement Army- I just wanted to know if you were using a primary source or not. I'll always take a primary source over one of these compilatons

Thanks!

Matt

[Matt L]

Okay- Ian, just to be sure I have this clearly:

Information taken from a Soldbuch/ Wehrpaß in your collection:

I.D. Tag: Inf.Pz.Abw.Ers.Kp.24 Nr. 352
Date and Unit: 9.1.-26.2.1940 Infanterie Panzer Abwehr Ersatz Kompanie 24, <ST1Chemnitz.

Information taken from a reference (e.g. Tessin):

</ST1Infanterie-Ersatz-Regiment 24, formed 26.8.1939 in Chemnitz, WK IV. 3.8.1941 transferred to Prague.
Structure: 1940: Inf.Ers.Btl. 102 Chemnitz, 394 Freiberg, 456 Freiberg, 475 Döbeln.

Correct?