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    What does an Iron Ration Bag look like?

    I just posted a bunch of my German personal and ration items on the Collection Forum. I still have a few items I'd like to verify before adding them to the threads. Here are 3 rather undescript bags that were found over the years in Germany. Nothing says they're military but they do resemble the iron ration bag. None are marked. I pulled some nice info about the bag from this site-

    http://users.adelphia.net/~erstezug/LandserItems.htm

    The article reads:

    If you look through enough German Servicemen's Soldbuchs or Clothing Lists, one item will appear again and again: "Zwiebackbeutel". Unlike a lot of the accessories issued to the Landser, this little article appears to have survived the entire war - you are as likely to find it being issued in 1945 as it was before the war. In addition, it didn't change much; it was the "possum" among the dinosaurs of Fritz's equipment realm - dull and almost inconsequential, but never extinct!
    The Zwiebackbeutel was used to store the soldier's supply of Zwieback which was part of his Eiserne Portion (Iron Ration). Zwieback was a type of vitamin-enriched "hardtack", shaped like a giant Ritz Cracker. The Soldier's supply amounted to 250 grams, and this was stacked in the Zwiebackbeutel which is shaped to hold the stack.

    We have examined two originals - one prewar, and one late war. In all important respects, they are constructed the same. They are of two-piece construction, with a long rectangular piece wrapped around to form the sides of an open-topped cylinder, and a round gusset to form the bottom. A hem around the top also serves as a guide for a cotton drawstring. The resulting bag is about 5 inches tall and 4 inches in diameter. The early-war specimen (illustrated) is made from a light grey cotton twill (like the linings in Swedish tunics), and the late war version is made from the same material in a light greyish-green. The early one is marked H.B.A. (Heeres Bekleidungs-Amt, or Army Clothing Bureau), 1934. The late one is marked with an illegible RB Nr.

    Now heres a photo of a reproduction-
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    #2
    Heres the first of my 3 bags. This ones 10"+ tall and is sewn together at the bottom. Basically 2 pieces of cloth sewn together.
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      #3
      This ones also 10+ inches tall and constructed in the identical manner as the first one. It has a waterproof lining.
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        #4
        The third one fits the description in the article a lot more closely. however it doesn't have a simple drawstring arrangement to close the bag. There are 4 metal eyelits that you pull the string through to close it. The bottom is a separate piece and has reinforcement to help keep the bags shape. So does anybody know what these bags might be used for.
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          #5
          These kind of bags could well be in use these days, I guess ... Hard to tell if they are pre '45.
          I have one that I bought on eBay. It has a Jewel heater inside and I thought the bag was custom made. It's made of a sand coloured canvas, much like a Windjacke I have. No markings present. So it could well be a rations bag. Didn't know these existed ...

          MfG,
          Bart

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            #6
            Iron Portion Bags

            Is this third bag not a gas mask filter cover? I have one and it was sold to me as such. It also fits perfecly. However, it would probably fit a single short ration can as well.

            Regards,
            Mike

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              #7
              Originally posted by Wesley's Dad
              Is this third bag not a gas mask filter cover? I have one and it was sold to me as such. It also fits perfecly. However, it would probably fit a single short ration can as well.

              Regards,
              Mike
              Hi Mike,

              Its certainly possible that it was used to store filters. The pouch I'm more familiar with is shown below.I borrowed it off a thread on gasmasks.

              You would think if every soldier recieved an iron ration bag there would be millions out there! Can't understand why they're so hard to find.
              Jim
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                #8
                Here a bag from my collection which I found in a bread bag.... could be anything ofcourse but maybe it is a ration bag....



                It's stamped bmo 41as far as I can read

                Tom
                www.mp44.nl

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by MP44_tom
                  Here a bag from my collection which I found in a bread bag.... could be anything ofcourse but maybe it is a ration bag....



                  It's stamped bmo 41as far as I can read

                  Tom
                  www.mp44.nl

                  Tom,

                  That could in fact be a iron ration bag. It looks like its a simple 2 pieces of cloth sewn together at the bottom. Am I correct? Also appears to be smaller than my first 2 bags..around 4-5 inches tall.

                  jim

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                    #10
                    Filter cover

                    Originally posted by djpool
                    Hi Mike,

                    Its certainly possible that it was used to store filters. The pouch I'm more familiar with is shown below.I borrowed it off a thread on gasmasks.
                    Jim,

                    No, that pouch (the one you show borrowed from the gm thread) is for carrying the filter plus the other two parts of the late war expedient gas mask. When I said "filter cover", I should have explained that I meant a cover for protecting the filter when attached to the mask, probably in barracks while stored on the spanner... possibly while in the can as well, but this seems unlikely to me.

                    Regards,
                    Mike
                    Last edited by Wesley's Dad; 03-23-2005, 09:02 PM. Reason: more info

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Wesley's Dad
                      Jim,

                      No, that pouch (the one you show borrowed from the gm thread) is for carrying the filter plus the other two parts of the late war expedient gas mask. When I said "filter cover", I should have explained that I meant a cover for protecting the filter when attached to the mask, probably in barracks while stored on the spanner... possibly while in the can as well, but this seems unlikely to me.

                      Regards,
                      Mike
                      Gentlemen,
                      I concur with Mike's read on the bag with the reinforcement stitching in the base. This was used to protect the filter when the mask was stored in the soldier's locker in the barracks.

                      Ed

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                        #12
                        Cover for protecting the Filter? I'm sorry in all the years of collecting I've never seen or heard of one. All my references do not mention or show one of these covers in use. Can someone provide a reference or photo of one in use. The only known cover is the one made to carry the spare filter (Jim provided an example) otherwise the gasmask and filter were more or less permanently stored in the gaskmask cannister. The only exception was while in Garrison they were stretched out on the maskenspanner to prevent them from being misshapen. Bill

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by W Petz
                          Cover for protecting the Filter? I'm sorry in all the years of collecting I've never seen or heard of one. All my references do not mention or show one of these covers in use. Can someone provide a reference or photo of one in use. The only known cover is the one made to carry the spare filter (Jim provided an example) otherwise the gasmask and filter were more or less permanently stored in the gaskmask cannister. The only exception was while in Garrison they were stretched out on the maskenspanner to prevent them from being misshapen. Bill

                          I tend to agree with Bill. I've never heard of a filter cover while it was in storage.Doesn't mean it couldn't be.I'd just like to get more info before I'm convinced.In the meantime I'm still not sure what the Iron Ration bag is supposed to look like.I'd like to acquire a textbook example,but it would help if I knew what I was looking for.Jim

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                            #14
                            Rations

                            Some of my ration items.

                            1. Tubes of Cheese' TILSITER BONA' Tubes dated 43 and 44 found Estonia
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                              44 dated tube
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