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Neither the snowshoes nor the backpack are Wehrmacht issue, the backpack is not even period.
Neither the snowshoes nor the backpack are Wehrmacht issue, the backpack is not even period.
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The backpack is obviously not standard issue.
I would have assumed it is a good period item made for the civilian market or for military private purchases.
Whats your reason for challenging that this Tauernsack was produced 1943 as the marking suggests? -
Gran SassoOriginally posted by Gran Sasso View Post
Over the years, I have come to trust your perspective and opinion in these matters, so I ask these questions not to challenge your opinion, but to better my understanding.
1. Snowshoes – what makes these WH issue, or not? Is the straps? Is there some other aspect of their construction? They seem to be of the proper form to me. I am not a fan of this type of boot strap, but I would not have ruled out WH issue.
2. Rucksack – (like knoffhoff), I would have considered the Tauernsack as a 1943 manufactured item. I also note that many of the details are unlike the Tauernsäcke that I have encountered. To me it looks like some of the details of the WH issue Rucksack were incorporated into this item. I too would lean toward a private purchase rucksack that was intended to be purchased by a Gebirgsjäger.
3. Climbing Skins for Skies – what do you make of the markings “LEWA” and “PRAWA”?
4. 1l Feldflasche – what is your opinion of these form of canteen? Many contend that they are Gebirgs issue, but I do not. Over the years, I have purchased a number of these for my Gebirgs collection, but I feel that they were intended for tropical issue. In my experience, the photos demonstrate that the 1l Lebelflasche with carbine hook were issued to the Gebirgstruppen, but this 1l Feldflasche style does not seem to be exclusively used by them. After 1941, Gebirgstruppen were more likely to be seen with the standard .7l Feldflasche.
5. Gasmaske Dose – what is your opinion of the white top? It is confusing to me that someone would paint only the top. Might the white paint indicate some other use?
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Rucksack is an immediate postwar manufacture with left over spare parts .
Snowshoes ? : not regulation WH straps but how to determine a military issue ? Stamings only when civilian issue militarized ...Like Skis !
I have a nice pair of WH WAa stamped Skis but in Brown , not white+green ,found on a Flea Market .
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That's makes sense too. I've see a number of rucks that were closer to the issue pattern, but with little details that pointed to a Frankenstein creation. The wartime date always creates excitement and/or confusion.Originally posted by GAMS1 View Post
-MattComment
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Exactly, military ones show military webbing straps, same as on his military climbing furs.Originally posted by GAMS1 View PostComment
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Both already answeredOriginally posted by Gebirgsjgr View Post
As they are handwritten and not markings, they could mean anything. IMO postwar added. But i care very much for the three letter code and year markings.Originally posted by Gebirgsjgr View Post
I agree, only the canteen 1L with carbine is the "true" GJ canteen.Originally posted by Gebirgsjgr View Post
Good question, maybee the body of the can was covered with white cloth?Originally posted by Gebirgsjgr View PostComment
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Tauern Rucksack
Here is link for thread about Tauern Rucksack: http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...cksack+variety
I also add pictures of Tauern Rucksack from my collection. What make them not period? They all look the same. These are not "Frankenstein" put together from leftovers. What is the source of the knowledge that 1943 and RBN dated Rucksacks are post war.Comment
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More pictures.Comment
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I am not an expert on Tauernsack variations, so I look forward to comments by others. As far as the Army issue (M31, Großerrucksack für Gebirgstruppen), I have been studying them for decades and have many in my collection, so experience tells me when parts have been put together that don't match the standard issue.Originally posted by pzo View Post
A lot of times, it is apparent when the civilian features show up on an otherwise military item. For example, the standard configuration of of the main flap should have five leather loops and three securing straps - whereas civilian models usually only have one loop and two straps.
Other give-aways are the presence or absence of a pack frame and metal hooks for the ammo pouches.
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I am pretty sure, that due to its purpose, high mountain climbing, Tauern Rucksack is always made by strict specification, like registered pattern, to assure best performance. In this case maker probably did not allow any military "improvements" to be issued in production. I am close to opinion that it had been issued to or privatly purchased by mountain troop officers. That is why there are no extra straps for ammo pouches.Originally posted by Gebirgsjgr View PostComment
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That is the question I'm still looking forward to see a answer to.Originally posted by pzo View PostComment
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Servus Bergkameraden,
Just a quick note this morning....I'll join into deeper discussion later.
I think the Deuter Tauern Rucksack is fine for a 1943 civilian manufactured item with the possibility of ending up as a private purchase item. Deuter began making rucksacks in 1910. There were various models/sizes of the Tauernrucksack. Deuter was primarily making military items from 1939 until the end of the war. I'm sure their civilian items were probably made with leftovers from the military runs. I like the ruck....can't we just give pieces of canvas a chance? ;-)
I like the climbing skins too. Just one of the many variaties that I've come across. The handwritten markings "LEWA" and "PRAWA" are Polish for "Left" and "Right." War surplus used after the war.
Just my humble opinion.
Berg und Ski Heil,
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