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**Bergflak** · 11-02-2010, 03:27 AM

Originally posted by rick1 View Post

I don't like the stamp though or the frosch on a late war being brass but it doesn't look brass to me but I am assuming it is by the posts from everyone.... but sling is late enough to not be as easily distinguished as early ones, which of course I'm better at discerning.

I can see you like my picture, as you have reused it here!
The Haltestück is brass according to the person that has handled it, so we must assume that he is right, even though it sometimes can be hard to tell from pictures.
As for my cgu4 sling to the right in the picture there is a huge constructional difference from the fake sling. The cgu 4 sling buckle has been made just like the other buckles in the photo, with a welded pin and a roller buckle with welded heads. But to save time and work effort the heads have not been ground flush with the buckle and the same goes for the pin head, leaving the raw welds visible.

The fake sling has not been welded at all. The disks have been put on and the metal pin has been tapped at the heads with a hammer so the pins will stay in place. A pritty crude construction, but still not up to German late war standards!

**Bergflak** · 11-02-2010, 03:34 AM

Originally posted by anmarlodz View Post

to be honest - the last on the far right is POSTWAR - not wartime ! sorry.

Now THAT is an interesting observation. And after having studied this whole sling, what are your main concerns about the cgu4 sling?
Since this is one of my favourite slings in my own collection I would really love to learn something new about it

**Grubhy** · 11-02-2010, 04:43 AM

Maybe I can't see waht You can see but (all post-war slings which I used to own) made in Stolla Wien were finished with this same friction buckles as reffered by You as good late war, dated 1944.

Its is your field of knowledge and I assume that You know more about slings than I do but I know what I see.

Originally posted by Bergflak View Post

Now THAT is an interesting observation. And after having studied this whole sling, what are your main concerns about the cgu4 sling?
Since this is one of my favourite slings in my own collection I would really love to learn something new about it

**Bergflak** · 11-02-2010, 04:58 AM

Yes, you see what you see, but apart from a sideview of the buckle head the rest is obscured, and one should not draw quick conclusions based on too little information!
As mentioned the sling is a cgu4, which is in fact "Stolla, Wien, 1944". The very same maker that continued production of Mp 38 u 40 slings, as well as K98k slings postwar for the Austrian army. The fact that the buckles made post 1945 is identical with their production pre 1945 should come as no big surprise.
This sling was taken off a Norwegian army K98kF1 in .3006 and has been in service since 1945 with the Norwegian army, so the provinence is quite good, and it is in my personal collection.

But, as I have never handled any Stolla Wien postwar slings (none to be found up here!) I would really enjoy a sideway picture of the buckle so that I could compare and learn! A set of good pictures to be added to my sling article would also be appreciated.

**Grubhy** · 11-02-2010, 05:28 AM

I didnt say that your 1944 dated sling was fake or aged. I'm just highlighting the fact that war time and postwar friction buckles are same. Waht is more these turned to be made in the same factory.

Will add some pics as soon as I get home.

Very interesting topic. Thanks Guys

**rick1** · 11-02-2010, 04:24 PM

Originally posted by anmarlodz View Post

to be honest - the last on the far right is POSTWAR - not wartime ! sorry.

That would confirm my first instinct that this thread's subject sling is postwar...I rethought this when I viewed this sling on Bergflak's site.

I always stay away from slings that pins aren't flush...but i am an early bird. Of course frosch is postwar if keeper is brass.

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