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    #16
    comparison

    Both shovels obverse side. Notice the exactness of construction.
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      #17
      comparison

      Both shovels reverse side
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        #18
        comparison

        Side by side
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          #19
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          Finally the sawtoothed handle with no brass rivet. All the best to you and your family Paul.
          Regards
          Zeke
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            #20
            Hello,
            Sorry Zeke but your comparison is not so accurate for two reasons :

            1) All WWI & WWII shovels were designed from the Linnemann patent registred in 1874, so roughly they all look the same and without proper markings, they are almost indistinguishable...

            2) I would be highly surprised if the "german" shovel used as a comparison was a genuine 1939 dated shovel produced for the german army...IMO these markings are very odd...

            Except the real WWII german shovel and the italian one, which have very specific features that make them recognizable at the first sight....they all look the same...

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              #21
              Zeke... to further muddy the waters on this topic I believe what you have could be a BRITISH ARMY engineer soldier's saw shovel. It's listed on page 170 of the Bannermans catalogue of military goods- 1927. The total length is 20 inches... length of blade 7 1/2 inches... width 5 3/4 inch... picture illustrated looks to be a match... now you'll have to sell it to me as you know I'm a Canadian British collector ... Jim

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                #22
                I was waiting for a reply to my British shovel comment but seeing there haven't been any howls of outrage I'll follow it up with some additional info...Wartburg doesn't sound like a British manufacturer to me... the remaining comments from the Bannerman catalogue state "from London 1902, on return of British soldiers from South Africa.Valuable relic as well as fine,serviceable shovel and saw.Adopted by military schools. 500 in stock price $1.25 each." South African war, captured from the Boers (explains german origin) bought from the Briitsh government as war surplus??? Comments?

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                  #23
                  Sometimes answers can be found very simply

                  I did a litle google search on Vogel & Noot Wartberg and it came up as an Austrian firm.

                  There also was a shovel on ebay

                  http://cgi.ebay.com.my/V-Rare-Austri...mZ370134778020

                  So it looks like it is an austrian one after all....

                  Tom
                  www.mp44.nl

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