need a jury for this makers mark

[Glenn Barbaritz]

hey Guys, Glenn here. a couple of weeks ago Our buddy Ace posted a bread bag that was deemed a post war with fake stamps. one of the stamps that is on that bread bag also appears on a zelt of mine. now what I am hoping is that the stamp on Ace's which is of course a fake was copied off an original logo. that being the one on my zelt. Ace was kind enough to give me a close up of his marking but unfortunately its gone now. (Ace, if you could post that close up here I would greatly appreciate it. ) I have no doubts about my zelt as being 100% good with the exception of the marking of course which this thread is about. I have seen 2 other zelts with my same logo but they had earlier dates than mine. both dates were different though, so all 3 markings on 3 zelts had different years. both sold for the fair market value at the time and one of them was listed on the Collectors Guild. (I know, Hes been busted with fakes also so that doesnt mean the zelt he sold was good.) I feel the marking ink looks its age and has the same "wear" as the overall zelt but that once again doesnt prove anything. both Ace and I after examining the markings together agreed that there were subtle differences in them. can anyone shed some light on this marking, whether it be good or bad. has anyone seen definite good examples of this logo besides me on any items? I will admit besides the 3 zelts I have seen with this logo I have never encountered a similiar style logo like this on a zelt. usually the zelt markings seem to just be encased in a rectangle or no "border" at all. alright Guys, lets have your thoughts on this. for better or for worse... Glenn

[Glenn Barbaritz]

here is Ace's bag:

[Glenn Barbaritz]

here is my marking:

[Glenn Barbaritz]

Ill throw in 3 pics of it. maybe 1 will appear clear than another in certain areas:

[Glenn Barbaritz]

last pic:

[Glenn Barbaritz]

heres the original thread of my zelt in question:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...light=zeltbahn

[Michael Kuligowski]

Glenn !!
in this thread from the past I was saying that its a late stamp for sucha early looking zelt.. and to be honest - I am leaning towards this stamp beeing an modern add-on....

[Vix Steel]

Im unsure of the originality of stamp in question however I do like the stamp that is on the zelt much better than the one on the Bread Bag. As we know anything is possible...

[MP44_tom]

Well, the zelt is original, no doubt, but the stamp could be added post war.

Also the stamp on the Zelt is not on the place where a makers mark should be according the manual H.Dv. 205/1, so there is a warning sign for sure.....

I also tend to say that it's a added stamp.

I also did some searching on google, and there does exist a Wahlhausen in Thüringen but not Mahlhausen in Thüringen...

Certainly a lot of alarmbells......... I'm sorry to say

Look on the bright side Glenn, it can'r be difficult to find a nice Zelt 1943 marked....

Tom
www.mp44.nl

[FestungSpanien]

Here it goes, Glenn
PS I like Glenn's stamp
Ace

[MP44_tom]

Hmmm there does exist a Mühlhausen......

[grndevil44]

Hi Guys

as Tom said there is a Mulhausen in Germany, so at least that part is ok, I just looked at the pics of the bread bag, is this really post war? at first look I would have thought it was ok, what are the differences? am not an expert on these

the stamp, well at least the dates are different, that would be my first concern if thery were the same date, we still see maker codes late war, when you would think it would have gone over to just RBNr's

I think if the bread bag is for sure post war, ( am not doubting you knowledge Ace ) then this would make you think the stamps are add on's

Would it be an idea to discuss the bread bag?

Cheers

John

[Glenn Barbaritz]

we still see maker codes late war, when you would think it would have gone over to just RBNr's

Would it be an idea to discuss the bread bag?

Cheers

John

the bag was discussed a couple of weeks ago. its still in this discussion section. there are plenty of true examples of makers names and their locations still being stamped in '43. I have many myself. I dont think anyone will argue that. still hoping for more info. thanks for your input Tom. that unfortunately is a strike against this piece. your good with your regulations. thanks for the close up Pic Ace. Glenn

[rick1]

Here it goes, Glenn
PS I like Glenn's stamp
Ace

I also think Glen's stamp is legit. The breadbag I'm not so sure about...whenever a piece has "everything" a collector looks for with markings I beware, ie rbnbr & makers mark. I don't see unit markings to often after about 1937.
Rick

[Glenn Barbaritz]

looks like were going 50/50 on this so far. Im not giving up hope yet. anyone else have any evidence pro or con? Glenn