What kind of shoes is this.
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Not military German WW2
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They are marked; 45 D 3435 and I think it say; Carbi
Could it be Italian shoes made for the german troops?Comment
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Good question, the nail pattern and type used on these is similar to Italian high shoes.Originally posted by Jaegermeister View Post
As far as I'm concerned no one has demonstrated that these type of shoes are or are not German WWII used.
I have seen maybe 20 pairs of high shoes similar to these posted on various forums and in person (I own one such pair for 25 years from a vet) and many say "they are not WWII German Issue", well fine...then what are they?
These shoes can show many slight variations however most all of them are of pebble grain leather (usually black sometimes un-dyed) wide type heel plates, bottle cap toe caps (but way way different from the other bottle cap type found on BW boots of the 50s-80s)
They tend to not have the extra front sole leather piece, but will be wood pegged. They tend to be sized in the civil style of size markings (i.e. 39, 41 etc...just like a lot of SS and RZM boots are). The will have the boxed or rounded toe...as opposed to Heer type "shark snout" toes..... some have hooks and eyes and some just have eyelets.
These have been around for years and years before the "East" opened up so I have a hard time believeing that they came from there originally or were made there post 45. Also just because they don't conform to standard Heer pattern and markings does NOT mean that they are not WWII German military or at least para-military.
No one that I know of has demonstrated or shown any evidence about what these are or are not....so for me I'm very open on them at this point. It is hard for me to believe that they were post war made and so many un-issued examples are around that did not get used in 40 years or more by some one in these countries that made them.Comment
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I believe this is a Czech post-war hardware ... Either way - not German WW2Comment
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Since I open this I want to know.
I dont care who made them (country) and if or not text book as the boys ower there says. Many shoemakers did special orders and this could be one of them. If I'm wrong I'll be fine with that.Comment
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1950s CzechComment
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I just had a look at the shoes and the maker tag is hanging on them. It is; Carbi Tuttlinger QualitätsschuhComment
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Oh well I guess that seals the deal, clearly CZ 1950s!Originally posted by Jaegermeister View Post
As I indicated earlier, most of the evidence that I have found in examining shoes of this type points away from them being CZ or really from anywhere else other than Germany.
There are also several reasons that I do not think that these type shoes are post war German and they are no wartime civilian shoes....so for me the possibilities start to narrow.
John Angola has a pair very similar to these with this type hardware as well in his mid 1980 era book on the KM uniforms and Traditions. Now I will be the first to say that not near everything in reference books is correct and even original, but having inspected shoes like this since the 1970s in the U.S., I am very confident that they are not post 45 from Eastern Europe.Last edited by phild; 06-21-2008, 08:21 PM.Comment
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HelloOriginally posted by phild View Post
This could be a never ending debate . Did German re-used captured boots/shoes , most likely , but in very small # and not to front line troops . The German were "very proud " of their boots since it was more of a status symbol to them , soldiers were not really happy to receive ankle boots , even if these were better fitted for modern warfare ( at the time) most Europeen armies used a very similar design in footwear ( which really reflected the design and fashion of the time) , still the German boots produced for the army , were very typical in their construction .
Now , when it comes to collecting German military produced and issued boots etc.., I ( and I am sure most ) collect and only look for what we call "textbook" , when it come to proof , sorry but I do not have to proove anything , but what is textbook IMO ( countless original pictures do support my/our opinions , you can get better than that) . OFF boots were a different matter , while the one produced for the army , are "textbook" in their design , many were privately purchased by OFF with money . Bare in mind that the German army had regulations concerning every bits and pieces worn by a soldier , and had to be followed ( argument could be started about late in the war bla bla) .
Anyway , I collect textbook , when it comes to footwear , not the "maybe used" or the "maybe made" during that period by the Germans.
because , if you really believe that these shoes were indeed made in Germany during the 33/45 period , please do bring reference to proove it , I for one , would be happy to learn something new , regarding German footwear .
Regarding the boots posted , I am not really interested in who made them or when , what I know is "NOT textbook German military issued combat footwear" and these are the opinions you/they will get , everytime such boots are posted
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Well it don't really matter what they are anymore, but however they are good looking. Thanks guys for helping.Comment
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it's not my habit to necropost, but this thread contains a lot of misinformation.
tuttlingen is a town in the german province of baden-württemberg, southern germany.
the pair posted thus is MOST DEFINITELY a german product by a german company -- i wonder why people just go on and claim something without researching for further info first to find out if what they post is true or not ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuttlingen
tuttlingen was one of the hubs of german shoe production, as baden-württemberg used to be home of a great number of tanneries at the time.
i have a pair of the very same company, in mint condition.
these shoes are very likely ww ii issue boots. cheers.Comment
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