Research Soviet Film Studio Markings with regards to Pink Smocks

[kammo man]

Was this one of the Tony Gordon group? If you are supposing that the pinks were a group of test samples made wartime but not adopted , I would think that was possible.

NOT wartime


Post war Eastern block


Look up the joke about the Portavogie duck.


Do you have a sense of humor ?

[nutmeg]

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Do you have a sense of humor ?[/QUOTE]

I do , but different from yours

[kammo man]

Thats great,

I am happy for you.


Do you like the post war stamps I have shown.

[nutmeg]

The HBT looks very grayish

[pete]

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Thanks Owen can we see the whole smock? Where did you get it? From who? When? Whats the provenance on the find? How long have you owned it?

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[RobertE]

This has become quite circular, again. The facts that can be derived from the last two pages are:

Besides the brick smocks, the only garments found with the those stamps are SS camouflage, and original. They consist of indisputably original smocks and pants, all camouflage and all original.

Beyond the brick smocks and the known original camo items, those stamps have never been found in any other garment. Not in caps, uniform items, or field gear.

The stamps in these original garments are identical to those found in the brick smocks. They are attributed to a Minsk-based film company, which research has shown to have briefly existed.

Those are facts. Theories or assumptions are being discussed as to why the stamps are found in only original garments and the brick smocks, but they are theories. There is more to the discussion, but I don't accept theory presented as fact - no one knows how or why those stamps were applied to these items, but we do know that every single item besides the brick smocks are stone cold originals.

s/f Robert

[pete]

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Thats right indeed....

Again pointing to geographical/physical presence inside Russia and in the immediate post war period and other items same stamps etc...

Different material and features that are not 1:1 don't mean they are not an oddball produced item and material, like a US M65 Alpha jacket produced by an Egyptian contractor with the Alpha label even. Although its totally wierd sub standard material it is a real Alpha Jacket....still...without the label I would never know!

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[Dennis S]

I believe Floch was at the Max , did anyone bother to speak to him about these?

[RobertE]

Dennis, for the last five years the suggestion has been made to speak with Floch, Peterson, and others who were there when the bales were uncovered or saw their first sales. A number of WAF people said they would talk with Floch "at the next show", but either they didn't or he is silent on the matter.

That includes close friends and associates of Floch. Several posters here have intimated they know what he would say, or what other major dealers potentially involved with the smocks sale/distribution have said over the years.

So nothing credible from Floch - yet.

s/f Robert

[Jeff V]

Floch is the stinking mess behind these smocks. His name alone should give the believer a major pause. It does me.

[RobertE]

Regardless, he has a story to tell that hasn't been told. Floch certainly was involved in his share of reproduction sales, but he also uncovered some of our most notable original bulk finds.

Anyone who has been collecting for any length of time knows that even bad dealers turn up good stuff. Conversely, quite a few dealers on this forum were held up as pinnacles of good business ethics and honesty, only to be driven from the forum with pitchforks and torches a few years later.

Find me the gold-haired dealer of today and I'll give you tomorrows next collecting villain - and in this case, Floch and others know at least part of the story.

We'll get to the bottom of this smock mystery, and hopefully in a civil and educational manner.

s/f Robert

[pete]

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Maybe so however its interesting what Bob said...east west, people, jobs.

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[kammo man]

The HBT looks very grayish

Thats just the way my cameras lighting caught it.

Its classic german hb weave and color.

[Marc Shaffer]

I've enjoyed going through this thread and learning about smocks for sure. One thing that popped to me is that the "pinky" does not match any of the other smocks color wise in Owen's pictures as he states.... thanks for posting those photos Owen. But when it comes to coloration, the pinkys sure look like they match up nicely with the early Egyptian camo colors on the garments at the beginning of the linked page in the previous posted link here:

http://camopedia.org/index.php?title=Egypt

I'm strictly speaking on colors, not the pattern. What would be the possibility that the smocks are early Egyptian camo perhaps supplied by the Russians? Maybe out there. but just a thought.....

[Jeff V]

Regardless, he has a story to tell that hasn't been told. Floch certainly was involved in his share of reproduction sales, but he also uncovered some of our most notable original bulk finds.

Anyone who has been collecting for any length of time knows that even bad dealers turn up good stuff. Conversely, quite a few dealers on this forum were held up as pinnacles of good business ethics and honesty, only to be driven from the forum with pitchforks and torches a few years later.

Find me the gold-haired dealer of today and I'll give you tomorrows next collecting villain - and in this case, Floch and others know at least part of the story.

We'll get to the bottom of this smock mystery, and hopefully in a civil and educational manner.

s/f Robert

Robert, why do you think his story has not been told? If these were real we would know every detail of the find. Floch is one of the biggest fakers the hobby has ever known.