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    #31
    [QUOTE=NickG;7467479]If this Untersturmfuhrer came from the Rasse und Siedllungs Hauptamt, (gray nebenfarbe shoulderboards), a desk jockey...
    that German Cross in Gold combat badge was probably added...It does not match the wear of the tunic either...
    The tunic does have a lot of medal loops for the lowest ranking officer grade, meaning perhaps a well decorated combat vet?
    who got wounded and became a pencil pusher, a transfer from a fighting Division?


    You are right Nick.....the soldier got transfered from an SS fighting division after he got badly wounded and was transfered to the RuSH, on the personal request of the CO, SS-Obergruppenführer Richard Hildebrandt. The soldier was highly awarded, there's a bunch of paperwork coming with the tunic which supports this...

    Enclosed one of the documents (I am not showing the complete document, only the relevant part describing this...)
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      #32
      Another (part) of a document (from a Beurteilung, which is complete, but only showing the relevant part) which mentions that he was awarded with the Bandenkampfabzeichen and the German Cross in Gold...
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        #33
        Originally posted by NickG View Post
        If this Untersturmfuhrer came from the Rasse und Siedllungs Hauptamt, (gray nebenfarbe shoulderboards), a desk jockey...
        that German Cross in Gold combat badge was probably added...It does not match the wear of the tunic either...
        The tunic does have a lot of medal loops for the lowest ranking officer grade, meaning perhaps a well decorated combat vet?
        who got wounded and became a pencil pusher, a transfer from a fighting Division?


        Originally posted by mel View Post
        You are right Nick.....the soldier got transfered from an SS fighting division after he got badly wounded and was transfered to the RuSH, on the personal request of the CO, SS-Obergruppenführer Richard Hildebrandt. The soldier was highly awarded, there's a bunch of paperwork coming with the tunic which supports this...

        Enclosed one of the documents (I am not showing the complete document, only the relevant part describing this...)

        Ausgezeignet!
        Partisan war badge! Could be from Prinz Eugen Div I assume? He probably spoke other langauges, a VolksDeutscher (Germans from Slovakia, Romania or Hungary)
        These types of men were sought after for RuS Hauptamt and would handle resettling purposes, understood the people and their needs better than a Reichs Deutscher!
        Last edited by NickG; 07-06-2016, 05:04 PM.

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          #34
          The regulations authorising colour-piped SS caps was rescinded in November 1940

          The German Cross in Gold came into being on the 28th of September 1941.

          Members of the RUSHA would have worn blank right tabs by regulation.

          Not trying to debunk the ensemble but just stating a few facts that may have been overlooked ....

          Ian

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            #35
            Originally posted by Ian Hulley View Post
            The regulations authorising colour-piped SS caps was rescinded in November 1940

            The German Cross in Gold came into being on the 28th of September 1941.

            Members of the RUSHA would have worn blank right tabs by regulation.

            Not trying to debunk the ensemble but just stating a few facts that may have been overlooked ....

            Ian
            Good points Ian. From the below, this could have been the uniform before he was transferred into the RUSHA. It looks untouched, so unlikely to have seen action.

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              #36
              The color piped visor (if its even gray, now that would be rare!!!) would be irrelevant for determining the time span of the uniform ensemble of cap+tunic
              (based on orders rescinding its wear and production) as officers still wore these colored schirmmutzen well after that date. It was their private purchase "eigentumsstück" and they used these post 1940 as the photographic records prove and if its light gray piped, which is so close to white,
              nobody would have been bothered with it being out of spec!

              The blank collar tabs is indeed a good point. Like the SD the RuSA did require blank tabs. Here an officer who served in both departments and with RuSA in Lodz Poland. Like I wrote already too bad the uniform does not have silver collar edge piping as shown here....
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                #37
                Forward facing runes on the tab also which are not common

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                  #38
                  Why is the sleeve is eagle so low it's nearly on the elbow of this jacket?
                  It's inches below where it should be found. Resewn perhaps? This chap would surely have been pulled up for a badge in the wrong place?

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by NickG View Post





                    Ausgezeignet!
                    Partisan war badge! Could be from Prinz Eugen Div I assume? He probably spoke other langauges, a VolksDeutscher (Germans from Slovakia, Romania or Hungary)
                    These types of men were sought after for RuS Hauptamt and would handle resettling purposes, understood the people and their needs better than a Reichs Deutscher!

                    Refering to the quote of Nick; on the 'Beurteilung" of 21 February 1944 of this soldier it is mentioned that this soldier actually did speak Slavian languages.
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                      #40
                      Enclosed the first pictures of the cap...
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                      Last edited by mel; 07-07-2016, 06:24 AM.

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                        #41
                        The insignia appear to be fake.



                        Ian
                        Last edited by Ian Hulley; 07-07-2016, 05:56 AM. Reason: Adding the deleted photograph of the insignia.

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                          #42
                          Close up of the emblems. It looks like they are grinded at the side.
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