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    #1

    EM/NCO visor cap with metal insignia

    Hi,

    I am new to this forum and are fore the first time asking of your comments to some items.

    I have a EM/NCO visor that i have questions regarding the eagle. There is marks on the visor that I beleive is from another eagle, so I would asume this one is added at a time. I have taken the eagle off and have taken photos of it from both sides. After looking into this forum I beleive it has a incorrect code. The eagle is marked ss360/42 and a rzm stamp.

    I have enclosed pictures of the skull but as I beleive it to be placed there originally I have not removed it as the pins might break. I have managed to look a little at the back and I beleive it is marked with a rzm stamp and 499/41.

    I would like to have comments, both positive and negative on both items.

    Thanks a lot.

    Rgds
    Pål
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    Eagle front ss360/42 rzm stamped

    Front of eagle
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      Back of eagle.
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        #4
        Skull with rzm stamp and 499/41

        Skull still on the visor.
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          #5
          Another skull

          Hi,

          This is another skull with the same code as the eagle above. This skull has no connection to the visor. I am offered this one, but belive it to be incorrect marked.

          I would like comments on this one as well.

          Thanks

          Regards
          Pål
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            Back of the skull.
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              #7
              Hi,

              The 360 marked pieces are reproductions, and the 499/41 skull
              could very well be original, but I can't say without better pics.

              Best, Chris

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                #8
                Hi Chris,

                Thanks for your comment. The eagle will not go back on the visor again! I will try to take a better picture of the skull and post again tommorow.

                Is it only the marking that is incorrect or is there incorrect details on the front of these 360/42 marked insignias as well?

                Regards
                Pål

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Bax
                  Hi Chris,

                  Thanks for your comment. The eagle will not go back on the visor again! I will try to take a better picture of the skull and post again tommorow.

                  Is it only the marking that is incorrect or is there incorrect details on the front of these 360/42 marked insignias as well?

                  Regards
                  Pål
                  I think the 360 markings are fantasy markings..IE not seen on originals...I understand that they came out of Austria starting in the 1980's..don't know if they still make these, John

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                    #10
                    Every fake is wrong on the front and back.
                    These are way wrong on the front, as well as the back.

                    Best, Chris

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                      #11
                      I think I've asked this before, but what about 380/40? Is this an original, or a fantasy mark? What documentary evidence is there to back up an assertion one way or another?
                      Thanks,
                      Chris
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Chris_Werner
                        I think I've asked this before, but what about 380/40? Is this an original, or a fantasy mark? What documentary evidence is there to back up an assertion one way or another?
                        Thanks,
                        Chris
                        It is a fantasy number based on original SS coding configurations...for example in this case (even though this code is made up) the "360" would represent the maker of the item and the "40" would represent the year the item was made, IE 1940...an example of a legitimate code is "RZM 254 42" or "RZM 822/42 SS"..in this case the "RZM" signifies RZM acceptance and the "SS" signifies acceptance by the SS of the item...with the "822" representing the maker of the item and "42" the year..this mark is found on a scarce wartime produced EM buckle, and the "RZM 254/42" is found on an SS skull.

                        John

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                          Here are some examples of the codes on real SS items:
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                            skull...
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                            Last edited by John T; 01-18-2005, 08:28 PM.

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                              #15
                              Hi everyone....

                              The 360 marked insignias are considered fake......please..don't kill me ..but I'd like to know why....
                              Documents?pics?it seems it doesn't exist any "official" period makers list ....I try to do my homework...but for the moment I've only opinions...and I didn't find any positive or negative evidence about.
                              I ask this 'cause you can find this "pattern" of tk almost in every well considered books and sold by well considered (by this and others forum) dealers.....
                              Accordig Mr Lumsden are fake 'cause he didn't find any photografic evidence about...and for Mr. Chris (SScollectors) it should be e reproduction from an original Assmann (if I have well understood...sorry but my english is not so good )...but the more I look at them the more it seems to me that are completely different "pattern" starting for one from the lower right "nostril" of the tk......
                              Forgive me if I came back again on this question.....and thanks to everyone
                              Ragards
                              Giorgio

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