Wiking cufftitle

[Stossgruppe3]

Hi David,

That is correct David, it doesent need to be original just because it was in a lot with other frontfighter items, sometimes it does give a indication. But when i bought this, i brought it to other collectors wich had a look, tested it, compared it (also with the bookmark) and gave thums up.

But i fully respect that you and others says something else. One ting is sure, i will never sell something wich is fake. This has never been a issue before. And i can also assure you, that after new tests, wich could confirm this, i will of course not ask for any money.

For your information and the Norwegian market. The last two Wiking cufftitle that were sold, the went for 9000 NOK and 11000 NOK. Far away from a couple of thousand pound.

Lets make it very clear I am not accusing you of anything ....
But you have to ask yourself this -
Do these other collectors (as you say)know what they are talking about ?
Or were they just being polite ?
I am NOT an expert on these Wiking CT's but personally for me " it's a fake "
So lets wait and see what the big guns have to say and I'm sure they will
Good luck
Regards
David

[Basil]

These cuff titles came packaged, as a bookmark, with the Felix Steiner book 'Europaische Freiwillige' when it was originally published in the 1960s. I'm struggling to think of any original machine-woven or machine-embroidered W-SS cuff-titles that had a latin san serif 'font'.

IIRC, the book was published by Munin Verlag, the publishing arm of HIAG, and these were intended to be souvenirs, as much as anything else, for former members of the 'Wiking' division, hence why they might be found in the effects of a former front-fighter.

[TomH]

Hi,

Im the seller of this Cufftitle. It would be interesting (Tom) to hear your version and why you say it`s fake. One thing is 100% sure, i will not be involved in anything related to fake. This cufftitle comes from a collection after a dead front figheter. I have seen the other items in the collection, and they are 100% period item. Before selling this, i had expert opinion from 2 different collectors regarding this. Test with UV light and other test were done and the feedback was original. The reason why asking colleagues is because cufftitle is not my main collecting area.

But looking forward to your reply.

Hi Ruggeri,

there are some cuffbands that can be reasonably open to debate regarding their authenticity - this is not one of them.

This band is absolutely acknowledged to be a post 45 copy that was never actually intended to fool anyone as the real thing. I can't really add more than that other than to say follow the links that Charles posted.

I'm sure the rest is good and that this band was added to by the Front fighter when it became available as a commemorative item - that would be my guess. I hope I'm right.

Tom

[TomH]

By the way - UV testing is helpful but not the definitive method for establishing whether something is good or not.

Tom

[Kyle Harrington]

Wiking CT

Handed out post 1945 usually at reunions or upon request.I have owned 6 original Wiking CT's and this looks 1960's to me.Look at the item not the story.

[Stossgruppe3]

Handed out post 1945 usually at reunions or upon request.I have owned 6 original Wiking CT's and this looks 1960's to me.Look at the item not the story.

Thank you Kyle ...
Regards
David

[Kris]

I have a similar Langemarck cuff somewhere. Also got it from a Flemish vet. These came indeed with books somewhere in the 60ies or 70ies.

[Sjking]

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I concur this is a post 1945 copy, repro, fake , old bookmark Wiking band

[TomH]

And of course the bookmark copy was made in a pseudo bevo style when the pre 1945 Wiking cuffbands were never made in the original bevo format.

This photo show the flatwire, the so-called bevo-like and two versions of the RZM

Tom