AH formal pattern demi-tasse spoon on e-stand

[Ric Ferrari]

Hello,

to begin with more likely this is not the right place to start such discussion, but I post here on purpose

Here are sharp/trained eyes to look at suspect cast repros, so.....

I let the pics starting discussion, here's offer they come from :

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=793703

Ric

P.S. Mod, up to you when it will be time to move it in the proper Forum....thanks.

[GREG E.]

Forgery ?

Perhaps it is one of these? (scroll down to the sixth section)

http://www.hitlersnest.co.uk/AH%20news.htm

I am not an expert when it comes to AH silverware, but this piece originally came from such an excellent source (a well-known U.S. edged weapons dealer) that I felt confident posting it for sale... oops!

[starikurac]

Looks indeed cast.

[Ric Ferrari]

Greg,

of course before starting discussion I compared features shown by pics with spoon in my collection (differently sized).

Ric

[rebeldevil89]

What worries me is
1. Low quality of the Eagle (imo not from legitimate wear)
2. To the eagle's right side, notice how the border design cuts out near the edge.
3. On the reverse near the proof markings, bumpy imperfections from what looks like casting.

I wouldn't consider this an original, but I'm no expert.

[Ian Hulley]

What worries me is
1. Low quality of the Eagle (imo not from legitimate wear)
2. To the eagle's right side, notice how the border design cuts out near the edge.
3. On the reverse near the proof markings, bumpy imperfections from what looks like casting.

I wouldn't consider this an original, but I'm no expert.

That sums up my view very well

Ian

[Antonio Scapini]

It is a cast fake, no doubt about.
search in political forum, there's a pinned thread where there are many originals posted.
I post here the first piece I found of my collection. At the first see you can clearly see all the missing details and the flaws of the piece posted from Ric.

[Ric Ferrari]

What worries me is
1. Low quality of the Eagle (imo not from legitimate wear)
2. To the eagle's right side, notice how the border design cuts out near the edge.
3. On the reverse near the proof markings, bumpy imperfections from what looks like casting.

.......and I add the whole marking is cast in IMO.

Ric

[Stason]

Hello,

to begin with more likely this is not the right place to start such discussion, but I post here on purpose

Here are sharp/trained eyes to look at suspect cast repros, so.....

I let the pics starting discussion, here's offer they come from :

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=793703

Ric

P.S. Mod, up to you when it will be time to move it in the proper Forum....thanks.

[Felix]

Well spotted! There has not been so many fakes of these yet - and luckily they are still of poor quality. Given the high prices of AH flatware we can expect more and better fakes in the future.

Antonio Shows an original! Quite a difference...

Cheers
//Niklas

[Eric Von Rader]

Glad this was posted, IMO this is a real armature attempt to use a jewelers casting method to copy an original. I have seen one other (demitasse spoon)

easy to spot!

[Dmv]

...but this piece originally came from such an excellent source (a well-known U.S. edged weapons dealer)

As in T.W.?

[GREG E.]

Sources

As in T. J. in VA !

As in T.W.?

[Knight_ridergta]

Fake without a doubt, try and get your money back!

[Fred Fokkelman]

If I compare this one with mine, the detail of the posted one is quit rude. Conclusion: fake.